Sources: Cavaliers close to deal for Stoudemire

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by billay

Hickson is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. Amare is good but I don't see how this stretchs the court to open things up for Lebron. Jamison would be the ideal player for the Cavs.

This.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Washington wasn't doing a straight salary dump. They got good value for Butler, all things considered.

Where the Cavs really ****ed themselves was last year, when they could have offloaded Szczerbiak's expiring contract for a piece, but did nothing.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

As strange as it seems, the Cavs probably would have been better off last year and the foreseeable future had they offered a 1 and Szczerbiak's contract for Zach ****ing Randolph off all people.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

DJ, what I mean by "create his own shot" is someone who can score without needing someone else to dribble, drive, and kick it to them for an open look.

They can either

1) Beat their man off the dribble

or

2) Beat the guy in post

The Cavs don't have anyone who can score in the low post if you get him the ball on the block, aside from the corpse of Shaq.

They can't play Hi-Lo

[-King-]

For the past few years it's been "LeBron doesn't have any talent around him! He cant win"

The next few years after Amare is there its going to be "LeBron isn't getting the ball as much with Amare there and the Cavs can't win with LeBron not getting that many touches."


Amare just plain out sucks on defense and that will weaken the Cavs top 5 defense. Atleast with Z and Shaq, finesse centers around the league had trouble scoring in the post, but with Amare there, centers will have no trouble scoring.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

DJ, what I mean by "create his own shot" is someone who can score without needing someone else to dribble, drive, and kick it to them for an open look.

They can either

1) Beat their man off the dribble

or

2) Beat the guy in post

The Cavs don't have anyone who can score in the low post if you get him the ball on the block, aside from the corpse of Shaq.

They can't play Hi-Lo

I think you're right on this. Varejao can do it, but pretty inconsistently and he has a pretty limited range of shots.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

DJ, what I mean by "create his own shot" is someone who can score without needing someone else to dribble, drive, and kick it to them for an open look.

They can either

1) Beat their man off the dribble

or

2) Beat the guy in post

The Cavs don't have anyone who can score in the low post if you get him the ball on the block, aside from the corpse of Shaq.

They can't play Hi-Lo

As to the first point, what Williams does vs. what he can do are two separate animals. Williams can create off the dribble, but his offense doesn't encourage it.

As to the second - who is LeBron going to play hi-lo with?

That's not his game, never will be. Hi-lo serves to crash the defense in low where he wants to operate. He is the lo, with Williams, etc... being the high. So getting another big for LeBron to play hi-lo with isn't going to work.

Do you mean the Cavs should be looking for an alternative to LeBron? Another inside presence to play hi-lo with Williams/Gibson/Parker? If so, I guess I see what you're saying. When he's not hitting, it'd be nice to have a 2nd option.

But if I had a guy like James on my squad, I'd recognize that the odds of him going cold for an entire playoff series are pretty slim. As such, I'd work on finding a way to maximize him, rather than try to find a fallback to him.

Jamison or Granger are the best ways to maximize your best weapon. If LeBron ices up for a series, the Cavs are boned no matter who they add. So go with the guys that will make your team play its best when it's at full throttle. That's how you win a title and that's how you keep LeBron in Cleveland.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

As to the first point, what Williams does vs. what he can do are two separate animals. Williams can create off the dribble, but his offense doesn't encourage it.

As to the second - who is LeBron going to play hi-lo with?

That's not his game, never will be. Hi-lo serves to crash the defense in low where he wants to operate. He is the lo, with Williams, etc... being the high. So getting another big for LeBron to play hi-lo with isn't going to work.

Do you mean the Cavs should be looking for an alternative to LeBron? Another inside presence to play hi-lo with Williams/Gibson/Parker? If so, I guess I see what you're saying. When he's not hitting, it'd be nice to have a 2nd option.

But if I had a guy like James on my squad, I'd recognize that the odds of him going cold for an entire playoff series are pretty slim. As such, I'd work on finding a way to maximize him, rather than try to find a fallback to him.

Jamison or Granger are the best ways to maximize your best weapon. If LeBron ices up for a series, the Cavs are boned no matter who they add. So go with the guys that will make your team play its best when it's at full throttle. That's how you win a title and that's how you keep LeBron in Cleveland.

It's not that LeBron will go cold for seven games. But he will go cold for a game, or for a quarter, or a half, and when that happens, they have absolutely no one who can pick up the slack.

The best kind of guy for that team would have been a guy like Randolph, who can crash the boards, get points w/o having plays run for him while LeBron is in, and if you want to give LBJ a blow, you can run plays for him in the low post.

Cleveland has an alpha dog an energy guy (Varejao) and role players. But they don't have a second banana who can emulate a first when needed (McHale, Pippen, early Kobe, Shaq in Miami, even Ginobili to a lesser extent)

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The best kind of guy for that team would have been a guy like Randolph, who can crash the boards, get points w/o having plays run for him while LeBron is in, and if you want to give LBJ a blow, you can run plays for him in the low post.

Are you talking about Zach Randolph who plays for the Grizzlies or Anthony Randolph?

Zach Randolph is one of the biggest ball hogs in the NBA. If he gets the ball he is going to shoot it no matter what. NBA people were calling him the black hole when he was in New York because once the ball goes inside to him it doesn't come back out.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Are you talking about Zach Randolph who plays for the Grizzlies or Anthony Randolph?

Zach Randolph is one of the biggest ball hogs in the NBA. If he gets the ball he is going to shoot it no matter what. NBA people were calling him the black hole when he was in New York because once the ball goes inside to him it doesn't come back out.

He's actually matured quite a bit. He's a good player, and would work as a second guy who knew his role. Again, he's a physical rebounder who gets a lot of points on putbacks, and he can score from the low block.

The only other guy who would be a better fit for that Cavs team (realistically), IMO, would be a guy like Stephen Jackson (who is both a great and awful teammate).

[Titty Meat]

This trade may make sense if the plan is to dump Shaq after this year and use Amare to get Lebron to stay (which I think he will).

[RealSNR]

Maybe the Cavs can steal Brandon Jennings from the Bucks. Just like how they stole Moe Williams.

[CoMoChief]

Amare Stoudemire - #1 player in the state of FL coming out of HS in 2002

Who was the #2????

MU's Kevin Young.

To say that's a huge gap in talent is an understatement.

[BIG_DADDY]

GO LAKERS!!!! That is all.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

GO LAKERS!!!! That is all.

This.