CBS Sports Article On KS's 2nd Rd picks

[Cosmos]

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(KC's 2nd rd picks)

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Laz

that's all great if we had selected these guys IN THE 5Th ROUND

get a quality nose tackle and ILB in round 2 then we can afford to select the toys in round 5.

deepest ****ing draft in history and we select "gadgets" in round 2.

You're suggesting a needs-based draft.

The worst approach you can take into a draft is to target two key positions and demand that you walk out of the draft with those two positions.

They still have time in the waiver wire to look for some ILBs and I"m sure there will be some roster cuts coming soon. And if they don't, who cares? I feel pretty comfortable with the offense today, so the defense is the next step. Why is there such an urgency to get everything fixed today?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Okay, once again, if it's SO DAMN HARD to get a NT, WHY THE HELL DID WE MAKE THE SWITCH TO THE 3-4?

I'm anxious to hear an answer from one of the Pioli ballwashers sometime.

A nose tackle isn't hard to get. Why do you think they're paid so little and almost never get drafted past the first round?

You just have to expend some kind of effort, which the Chiefs haven't done to date.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Forward Dante

What quality nose tackle did you want them to pick there? Cody is worthless and there wasn't much else there unless you wanted a reach for the ages.

all these viable NT's went after we picked:

Terrance Cody
Torrell Troup
Linval Joseph
Cam Thomas
Geno Atikins

and that is just the NT ... also LB's
Washington
Bowman
Lee
Angerer
Butler


we'll see how worthless all these guys are ....

btw the Chiefs did REACH, McCluster and Arenas were not only gadget players but were reaches.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

A nose tackle isn't hard to get.

then why don't we have one?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You're suggesting a needs-based draft.

The worst approach you can take into a draft is to target two key positions and demand that you walk out of the draft with those two positions.

They still have time in the waiver wire to look for some ILBs and I"m sure there will be some roster cuts coming soon. And if they don't, who cares? I feel pretty comfortable with the offense today, so the defense is the next step. Why is there such an urgency to get everything fixed today?

waiver wire my ass

i repeat ........... 1st round talent all the way deep into round 2 and we took gadget players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and you think waive wire players replace missing on out getting 3 possible 1st round type guys??

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by Laz

then why don't we have one?

We have to wait and see what the plan is between Edwards, Smith, and that bit about Dorsey playing there...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Laz

then why don't we have one?

Because we haven't tried. Not excusing it. But it's not like we have to dedicate a 2nd round pick. There could still be big space eaters in the undrafted area and Shaun Smith is a more than capable 1-year stopgap.

The sky isn't falling because we didn't take Cody.

And there's always next year. Why are we demanding that we pigeonhole ourselves into taking a NT this year if we don't necessarily like what's available? That is the DEFINITION of drafting for need.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Laz

waiver wire my ass

i repeat ........... 1st round talent all the way deep into round 2 and we took gadget players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and you think waive wire players replace missing on out getting 3 possible 1st round type guys??

#1 - these guys were second round players, therefore not first round players
#2 - nobody except on CP is saying any of these guys, really, were taken at below value. In the case of McCluster and Moeaki, they were drafted right before a team that was extremely interested.

So I don't understand the argument about missing out on a 1st round type guy when we drafted a 1st round type guy in their place.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because we haven't tried. Not excusing it. But it's not like we have to dedicate a 2nd round pick. There could still be big space eaters in the undrafted area and Shaun Smith is a more than capable 1-year stopgap.

The sky isn't falling because we didn't take Cody.

i didn't list JUST CODY ... i listed a dozen viable players we could take are highly talented and filled a need.

i sick and tired of dealing with incompetent GM's (Peterson,Dayton Moore)

not winning is one thing ... doing stupid shit like drafting Dante Hall and Benny Sapp in the 2nd round of this year's draft is another thing.

[Chiefburger]

[QUOTE=Laz;6710318]all these viable NT's went after we picked:

Terrance Cody
Torrell Troup
Linval Joseph
Cam Thomas
Geno Atikins

and that is just the NT ... also LB's
Washington
Bowman
Lee
Angerer
Butler


we'll see how worthless all these guys are ....

btw the Chiefs did REACH, McCluster and Arenas were not only gadget players but were reaches.[/QUOTE

Well, ESPN jumped the gun and reported the next-pick Eagles were set on drafting McCluster, who, by most accounts, was second-round talent. So how's McCluster a reach?

As for Arenas, he could've been a reach or just undervalued going in. It seems like most mock drafts, even ones by pros, are jsut an exercise in groupthink. Arenas and our new TE could have just been lost in the shuffle, you know, like late-round stars.

I'm excited to have some playmakers other than Charles.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Originally Posted by Forward Dante

What quality nose tackle did you want them to pick there? Cody is worthless and there wasn't much else there unless you wanted a reach for the ages.

Really? Cause last time I checked the mother ****ing Ravens happen to know a thing or two about building a good damn defense. And they thought he would be perfect NT for them to continue to dominate with their 3-4, the one that is run right.

Even Berry said in his Q & A that most of his success came from having a dominant NT in Dan Williams.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

So I don't understand the argument about missing out on a 1st round type guy when we drafted a 1st round type guy in their place.

so you think McCuster and Arenas are 1st round types?

you don't take ROLE players in the 1st round unless you are a winning team that just needs that extra piece.

unless McCluster is Reggie Freaking Bush then he is not a 1st round talent.

not to mention that even if McCluster is Reggie Bush-ish ... 1st round talent that fills a need > 1st round gadget talent.

[ForeverChiefs58]

[QUOTE=Chiefburger;6710372]

Originally Posted by Laz

all these viable NT's went after we picked:

Terrance Cody
Torrell Troup
Linval Joseph
Cam Thomas
Geno Atikins

and that is just the NT ... also LB's
Washington
Bowman
Lee
Angerer
Butler


we'll see how worthless all these guys are ....

btw the Chiefs did REACH, McCluster and Arenas were not only gadget players but were reaches.[/QUOTE

Well, ESPN jumped the gun and reported the next-pick Eagles were set on drafting McCluster, who, by most accounts, was second-round talent. So how's McCluster a reach?

As for Arenas, he could've been a reach or just undervalued going in. It seems like most mock drafts, even ones by pros, are jsut an exercise in groupthink. Arenas and our new TE could have just been lost in the shuffle, you know, like late-round stars.

I'm excited to have some playmakers other than Charles.

You left off Sergio Kindle, most around here were screaming for this guy. BTW, he is better with one knee than most the two kneed guys we already play.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Chiefburger

Well, ESPN jumped the gun and reported the next-pick Eagles were set on drafting McCluster, who, by most accounts, was second-round talent. So how's McCluster a reach?

As for Arenas, he could've been a reach or just undervalued going in. It seems like most mock drafts, even ones by pros, are jsut an exercise in groupthink. Arenas and our new TE could have just been lost in the shuffle, you know, like late-round stars.

I'm excited to have some playmakers other than Charles.

It was a mistake, they saw McCluster on the phone and reported the Eagles instead of us ... it doesn't mean the Eagles were going to take him.

keep drinking the koolaid ... you'll need it when our run defense still sucks.

[Sannyasi]

In a vacuum, you could say that we had a pretty good draft. I do think we came away with some talented players. However, when you look at some of the other guys who were available at those spots in the 2nd round, we could have gotten better players at bigger positions of need.