Chiefs This is why we didn't focus on the front 7... - Page 3

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 03:57 PM

I said this during last year...and was always hit by a Hamas stat about how bad our rush defense was...

I always thought our biggest problem was our pass defense and our inability to get off the field on 3rd and long. I always cheered for the opposition to waste a 2nd down on a run play...because we were better in 3rd and 3 than we were in 3rd and 10 defensively...

Teams knew this too...our rush defense got a bad wrap because we were consistently losing by 2+ scores in the 4th quarter and teams like the Giants...who gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to bad their rushing stats...and the Ravens...and even the Cowboys game 1/4th of their rushing yards came on one long run (kind of like the Skins game when we shut down Portis minus one long run as well)...

The formula for beating us last year? A good passing game...and we made even marginal passing games look AMAZING. Just check this out:

Flacco 300+ yards (96 rating)

Oakland beat us averaging 2.7 YPC in week 2

Kolb 300 + yards (120 rating)

E. Manning 292 yards (104 rating)

Romo 350 yards (113 rating)

Rivers 270 yards (123 rating)

Garrard 270 yards (111 rating)

Rivers 300+ yards (136 rating)

Orton 180 yards (92 rating) 245 rush yards allowed

Edwards (66 rating) 200 rush yards allowed

Quinn (28 rating) 350 rush yards allowed

Palmer (92 rating) Benson 4.6 YPC

...

Anyone see the trend here? It's nice that guys like OTWP like to conveniently ignore what we were REALLY bad at last year.

Brianfo · 04-26-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

No way. EVERYONE knows that 2nd round picks don't make pro-bowls. They're drafted strictly to be role players.

Hilarious. That or for drafting a certain no-talent QB that 32 teams have already passed on once.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-26-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i know, i remember before the draft when everyone was saying that smart teams use 2nd round picks on kick returners...

Here's how to build a winner. When you're in the beginning of your rebuild, draft the toys first.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-26-2010, 04:38 PM

So Hootie claims that the bad run defense numbers are a product of us getting passed on in the first half, and the opposition "padding" their run totals in the 2nd half of games.

I have another set of stats he'll ignore.

I've only done the first 9 games, I'll try to get to the rest later.

In the first 9 games, we gave up 1269 rushing yards.

668 of which, or 52% came in the first half of games.

And the Giants, which he claims "gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to pad their rushing stats" happened to rack up 108 of their 156 rushing yards in the first half of the game.

The list of excuses should be exceptionally comical this time around folks.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-26-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianfo

Hilarious. That or for drafting a certain no-talent QB that 32 teams have already passed on once.

Keep hanging onto it Brian. It's quite obviously all you've got. I've already conceded Clausen. Now what? Let me guess;

CLAUSEN CLAUSEN CLAUSEN CLAUSEN CLAUSEN CLAUSEN

Great argument red rider.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-26-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So Hootie claims that the bad run defense numbers are a product of us getting passed on in the first half, and the opposition "padding" their run totals in the 2nd half of games.

I have another set of stats he'll ignore.

I've only done the first 9 games, I'll try to get to the rest later.

In the first 9 games, we gave up 1269 rushing yards.

668 of which, or 52% came in the first half of games.

And the Giants, which he claims "gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to pad their rushing stats" happened to rack up 108 of their 156 rushing yards in the first half of the game.

The list of excuses should be exceptionally comical this time around folks.

DJ's left nut · 04-26-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So Hootie claims that the bad run defense numbers are a product of us getting passed on in the first half, and the opposition "padding" their run totals in the 2nd half of games.

I have another set of stats he'll ignore.

I've only done the first 9 games, I'll try to get to the rest later.

In the first 9 games, we gave up 1269 rushing yards.

668 of which, or 52% came in the first half of games.

And the Giants, which he claims "gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to pad their rushing stats" happened to rack up 108 of their 156 rushing yards in the first half of the game.

The list of excuses should be exceptionally comical this time around folks.

And that's after putting Mike Brown up in the box, thus creating some of these problems in the passing game.

Wait, that's not right -- only the corners have anything to do with pass defense. There's no spillover from an awful front 7 into the secondary.

What was I thinking?

This entire 'point' of his may be the worst thought out and worst presented thesis I have ever seen presented on CP.

Fellas, that's a high MFing hurdle.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-26-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Fellas, that's a high MFing hurdle.

And Hootie is the Edwin Moses of dumbassery.

Brianfo · 04-26-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Keep hanging onto it Brian. It's quite obviously all you've got. I've already conceded Clausen. Now what? Let me guess;

CLAUSEN CLAUSEN CLAUSEN CLAUSEN CLAUSEN CLAUSEN

Great argument red rider.

This crap is all pointless until 3 years down the road. That's all I have said all along. However, you can not in any way say that this team is not better on paper than when Pioli took over. I like the idea of drafting playmakers. Put pressure on the other teams defense.

Mecca · 04-26-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianfo

This crap is all pointless until 3 years down the road. That's all I have said all along. However, you can not in any way say that this team is not better on paper than when Pioli took over. I like the idea of drafting playmakers. Put pressure on the other teams defense.

You sure about that?

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-26-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianfo

This crap is all pointless until 3 years down the road. That's all I have said all along. However, you can not in any way say that this team is not better on paper than when Pioli took over. I like the idea of drafting playmakers. Put pressure on the other teams defense.

I've never said that. I don't hate any of the players picked. We just could've done better IMO. And it's just my opinion dude. I don't know anyone to help get me into NFL personnel.

**dirk digler** · 04-26-2010, 04:46 PM

Hootie has a legit point. Mitch Holthus was talking about how bad the play in the middle of the field was for us last year which is why they drafted Berry to stop alot of that. In case you guys need to be reminded every single one of you in this thread constantly bitched about how Brown sucked and was a huge reason why the D sucked. He endlessly got blamed for alot of shit rightfully so.

That is not to say that we don't need 3 new LB 's and a NT but teams threw alot on us.

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And Hootie is the Edwin Moses of dumbassery.

do I really have to post your track record for the 50TH time in the last 3 days?

BWillie · 04-26-2010, 04:47 PM

I miss Jarred Allen.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-26-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Hootie has a legit point. Mitch Holthus was talking about how bad the play in the middle of the field was for us last year which is why they drafted Berry to stop alot of that. In case you guys need to be reminded every single one of you in this thread constantly bitched about how Brown sucked and was a huge reason why the D sucked. He endlessly got blamed for alot of shit rightfully so.

That is not to say that we don't need 3 new LB 's and a NT but teams threw alot on us.

I don't know ANYONE who has a problem with Eric Berry being picked at 5.

Brianfo · 04-26-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I've never said that. I don't hate any of the players picked. We just could've done better IMO. And it's just my opinion dude. I don't know anyone to help get me into NFL personnel.

People have opinions and that is what makes this place great. I am not going to quit my day job any time soon either!

04-26-2010, 03:57 PM
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	This is why we didn't focus on the front 7... I said this during last year...and was always hit by a Hamas stat about how bad our rush defense was... I always thought our biggest problem was our pass defense and our inability to get off the field on 3rd and long. I always cheered for the opposition to waste a 2nd down on a run play...because we were better in 3rd and 3 than we were in 3rd and 10 defensively... Teams knew this too...our rush defense got a bad wrap because we were consistently losing by 2+ scores in the 4th quarter and teams like the Giants...who gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to bad their rushing stats...and the Ravens...and even the Cowboys game 1/4th of their rushing yards came on one long run (kind of like the Skins game when we shut down Portis minus one long run as well)... The formula for beating us last year? A good passing game...and we made even marginal passing games look AMAZING. Just check this out: Flacco 300+ yards (96 rating) Oakland beat us averaging 2.7 YPC in week 2 Kolb 300 + yards (120 rating) E. Manning 292 yards (104 rating) Romo 350 yards (113 rating) Rivers 270 yards (123 rating) Garrard 270 yards (111 rating) Rivers 300+ yards (136 rating) Orton 180 yards (92 rating) 245 rush yards allowed Edwards (66 rating) 200 rush yards allowed Quinn (28 rating) 350 rush yards allowed Palmer (92 rating) Benson 4.6 YPC ... Anyone see the trend here? It's nice that guys like OTWP like to conveniently ignore what we were REALLY bad at last year.
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04-26-2010, 04:38 PM	#33
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4671115	So Hootie claims that the bad run defense numbers are a product of us getting passed on in the first half, and the opposition "padding" their run totals in the 2nd half of games. I have another set of stats he'll ignore. I've only done the first 9 games, I'll try to get to the rest later. In the first 9 games, we gave up 1269 rushing yards. 668 of which, or 52% came in the first half of games. And the Giants, which he claims "gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to pad their rushing stats" happened to rack up 108 of their 156 rushing yards in the first half of the game. The list of excuses should be exceptionally comical this time around folks.
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04-26-2010, 04:46 PM	#41
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $2774644	Hootie has a legit point. Mitch Holthus was talking about how bad the play in the middle of the field was for us last year which is why they drafted Berry to stop alot of that. In case you guys need to be reminded every single one of you in this thread constantly bitched about how Brown sucked and was a huge reason why the D sucked. He endlessly got blamed for alot of shit rightfully so. That is not to say that we don't need 3 new LB 's and a NT but teams threw alot on us.
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