Dontari Poe... a bright spot in this terrible season?

[Buckweath]

I thought he played good against the Raiders and decent overall the last few games. Sure, I would like him to give better push in the passing game but he's held his ground in the running game. Poe is on pace to record the exact same stats as Ngata in his rookie season.

Anyone has his PFF rating for the last game and overall this season?

And anyone thinks he's doing better than Dorsey and Jackson in their rookie season, not that it's hard to beat but well, he was supposed to be much more of a project than those two??

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

It was a ballsy pick for sure. One approach I wish they'd have made with a quarterback.

Exactly. But still... if not a QB, I'm okay with it being a nose tackle.

[keg in kc]

He's starting to show "flashes" as the old coach would say.

It's a good sign when he's getting in the backfield just behind the snap, and he's done that a couple times the last few weeks. I didn't expect him to even be playing yet at this point, and maybe he wouldn't have been without injuries, but there are some signs that maybe there's something there.

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by Buckweath

I thought he played good against the Raiders and decent overall the last few games. Sure, I would like him to give better push in the passing game but he's held his ground in the running game. Poe is on pace to record the exact same stats as Ngata in his rookie season.

Anyone has his PFF rating for the last game and overall this season?

And anyone thinks he's doing better than Dorsey and Jackson in their rookie season, not that it's hard to beat but well, he was supposed to be much more of a project than those two??

He and Allen have been bright spots imo. Poe is way ahead of Sims, Jackson, or Dorsey imo. He is very athletic and I think he is still very raw. When he starts to really grasp the system he could be very very good imo. He looks like a solid draft pick at this point.

[petegz28]

When Bill Maas broke down the game on MSN Redzone last night he had nothing but good things to say about Poe. Poe is coming along. It's too bad he is in a defense where he is not allowed to do anything but be a blocker

[Tombstone RJ]

poe sucks. get used to it.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I wouldn't call him a bright spot. He has a long way to go. But he's not anything close to a bust yet. And his upside is tremendous.

Berry's upside is tremendous.
Berry's production has been poor this season.

Baldwin's upside is tremendous.
Baldwin's production has been non-existent this season.

Poe's upside is tremendous.
Poe's production has been sub-mediocre this season.

That's three drafts in a row with top 10 guys with really nothing to show for it.

That's a complete ****ing waste of three ****ing drafts.

Either Pioli is reeruned and is picking busts, or there is a serious problem from the top down at Arrowhead and it's seeping out to the player level.

Right now, I'm inclined to go with coaching/management as the problem as I find it hard to believe that all these guys Pioli has picked are total busts. However, without a complete flush of management/coaching, these guys aren't going to play to their potential as they are now caught up in the malaise that is the KC Chiefs.

[Rasputin]

Really POWE needs to get on the field more. Not to take away from Poe just put him in Dorsey spot. It is simple move & could prove to be effective. Poe was used in college all across the line so it should work out for him. Dorsey is expendable he can't even stay healthy nor has he been effective when he did play.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

He and Allen have been bright spots imo. Poe is way ahead of Sims, Jackson, or Dorsey imo. He is very athletic and I think he is still very raw. When he starts to really grasp the system he could be very very good imo. He looks like a solid draft pick at this point.

Allen has been horrible in the real games he's played.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Really POWE needs to get on the field more. Not to take away from Poe just put him in Dorsey spot. It is simple move & could prove to be effective. Poe was used in college all across the line so it should work out for him. Dorsey is expendable he can't even stay healthy nor has he been effective when he did play.

And the simple fact is, Powe has looked better when he's been on the field than Poe. The guy can play the NT in a 34. I'd love to see Poe move over to the end and let his burst and strength force the tackle inside and free up Hali more. There is no threat of Dorsey getting into the backfield, so Hali's been forced to work against the tackle exclusively as well as getting chipped by backs and tight ends.

Now, I understand that the five tech's position is to hold up the blockers, but there has to be some potential threat of the guy bull rushing the pocket. It ain't happening currently. (Though, Bailey flashed a couple of times the last two weeks. First time in a long time I can recall a Chiefs DE getting into the backfield.)

But I digress, I don't care for anyone on the coaching staff improving anything on this team. 1-15 is the goal. Geno Smith is the goal. A new GM is the goal. A new head coach is the goal. A new offensive coordinator is the goal. A total renewal...a new era brought about by a complete and utter purge.

Stay focused on the goal.

[Ace Gunner]

Seeing DJ blow up running plays behind the LOS for 2 quarters of 1 game during every season is always a bright spot. For, you know, a minute.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The media thought highly of it simply because they think highly of Scott Pioli.

Well, at least they did before this season.

Bullshit. They thought highly of it b/c they thought highly of DJ, Flowers, Hali, Berry, Houston and the ability of the rest of the defense as a whole.

[Buckweath]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Really POWE needs to get on the field more. Not to take away from Poe just put him in Dorsey spot. It is simple move & could prove to be effective. Poe was used in college all across the line so it should work out for him. Dorsey is expendable he can't even stay healthy nor has he been effective when he did play.

The main reason that was stated for poe's lack of production in college was the fact he was moved all over. IMO he needs to become much more comfortable with the NT position and Dline technique before we can move him.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

He's starting to show "flashes" as the old coach would say.

It's a good sign when he's getting in the backfield just behind the snap, and he's done that a couple times the last few weeks. I didn't expect him to even be playing yet at this point, and maybe he wouldn't have been without injuries, but there are some signs that maybe there's something there.

Exactly, he's showing just enough to warrant more looks.

Thats enough from an extremely raw rookie to placate me, its impossible to declare boom OR bust right now... anyone proclaiming otherwise isnt thinking it through.

[petegz28]

If we had a coach and GM with 1/2 a brain we would have Poe, Powe and Ratboy all on the line at the same time.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

And the simple fact is, Powe has looked better when he's been on the field than Poe. The guy can play the NT in a 34. I'd love to see Poe move over to the end and let his burst and strength force the tackle inside and free up Hali more. There is no threat of Dorsey getting into the backfield, so Hali's been forced to work against the tackle exclusively as well as getting chipped by backs and tight ends.

Now, I understand that the five tech's position is to hold up the blockers, but there has to be some potential threat of the guy bull rushing the pocket. It ain't happening currently. (Though, Bailey flashed a couple of times the last two weeks. First time in a long time I can recall a Chiefs DE getting into the backfield.)

But I digress, I don't care for anyone on the coaching staff improving anything on this team. 1-15 is the goal. Geno Smith is the goal. A new GM is the goal. A new head coach is the goal. A new offensive coordinator is the goal. A total renewal...a new era brought about by a complete and utter purge.

Stay focused on the goal.

No, terrible idea on Powe. WE're going to give up on Poe because he hasn't been a superstar in 7 games? Given that we knew with his inexperience, he'd be at least a 1-2 year experiment just to get him up to speed?

We're losing. There is ZERO value in maximizing snaps for Powe. Powe is obsolete. Teams prefer not to use 2-down 3-4 NTs. When you have guys like that, offenses will run no huddle spread and your 3-4 NT is completely out of position. The value in Poe is that when he matures, you hope he can play NT well, but have the versatility to stay on the field and play more of a 5-technique if the play dictates.

Which is why Poe was a great pick. I'm not a fan of Baldwin and never was. Still love the Berry pick, even if he's underperformed. I'm not convinced Berry couldn't improve with better coaching -- he's playing reckless.