Chiefs Soren Petro 1% Theory - Page 3

ShowtimeSBMVP · 10-30-2012, 04:37 PM

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chiefzilla1501 · 10-30-2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Again, agree to disagree.

We need two WRs, a G, depth at HB, and probably a center if Hudson doesn't recover (that was a bad ****ing injury). We might need a TE. Debatable.

Oh yeah, and two quarterbacks.

I'm willing to let Poe have a chance at NT next year. So we'll need a complete overhaul at defensive end, probably a replacement for Belcher, a new starting CB, and at least one safety.

The depth on this team is crap and everyone knows it. Who plays OLB if Hali or Houston go down? Scrub city.

The roster was completely, completely overrated the whole offseason. But that's what you get when people think Allen Bailey and Dexter McCluster are worth shit. They ain't.

No team is going to have elite talent in all your starting 22, let alone your 53 man roster. The needs you mentioned are easy to fill, especially for a team that hasn't spent much money. You add a real QB and you'll barely notice those problems you mention.

I don't think Draughn and Hillis are that bad, but they're not going to work when you have 8-9 guys stacking the box because you don't throw deep. Bowe, Breaston, and McCluster are a solid WR trio and most QBs would do well with that group. And at Guard, we don't know what we have in Jeff Allen yet. At TE, when we have Boss back, Boss/Moeaki is a solid enough tandem at a position that doesn't have to be as important as we make it, because of our stubbornness to run Erhardt-Perkins.

We don't have many bad starters. We have some starters who aren't as good as we'd like them to be. Cassel is the obvious and glaring exception. But this is a much better supporting cast than, say, Aaron Rodgers has often had to play with (especially given that Jennings can't stay healthy).

**DeezNutz** · 10-30-2012, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Anybody else think Carr has turned out to be the better CB than Flowers? Not that Flowers is a piece of shit or anything. It's just that Carr is that damn good.

Yes, and many of us were saying this long before Carr was released. Hell, we were defending the guy when people were calling for Carr to be cut.

Frosty · 10-30-2012, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

We need two WRs, a G, depth at HB, and probably a center if Hudson doesn't recover (that was a bad ****ing injury). We might need a TE. Debatable.

It's a broken bone and he could have come back this season.

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Q: Does either Hudson or Reeves have a recall designation?

CRENNEL: "With Jacques, there's a possibility depending on what they choose to do. You've got five days to reach an injury settlement, and if there's not an injury settlement with Reeves, then he's on IR and he remains on IR. Hudson will remain on IR right now because the way it looks, it's going to be several weeks with him."

Q: So there's not a tear there? Not an ACL or anything like that?

CRENNEL: "There's a broken bone, but it doesn't require surgery and he's got to be off of it for several weeks and then several weeks on crutches, so it's going to be most of the season. It's going to be most of the season, so that's why he's not going to be able to come back."

Q: So the new rule about putting a guy on IR and them coming back later in the season, that doesn't apply to Rodney?

CRENNEL: "It could, but by the time he gets back, the season's going to be over. So I don't know that we'd want to use that on him."

Q: Is it a broken bone in his leg?

CRENNEL: "Yes."

That said, a center might be a good idea anyway. Allen hasn't been very good at guard. They could sign/draft a center, move Hudson back to LG and jettison Lilja. Keep Allen as a backup since he could also play RT.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-30-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by WV

I'll say this.....I'm as guilty as the next guy in thinking how great this team looks on paper. However, it's difficult to condemn the entire team based on poor coaching and HORRIBLE QB play. I truely believe our Defense is better than they've shown, but with a Cassel led offense that couldn't score on WVU it's difficult to judge the Defense. We've proven that we can run the ball. I've become more for changing the coaching staff, Pioli, and Cassel....then evaluating the team as opposed to a complete overhaul.

A new coach gets this team playing tough. Our defense was nails last year to close the season, because they were hitting people in the mouth.

A new offensive coordinator opens up the offense instead of the predictable bullshit Daboll is marching out there.

A new QB turns Bowe into a 1,500 yard receiver, and opens up a whole shitload of real estate for Charles and Hillis and Draughn, not to mention for McCluster underneath.

I still stand behind the claim that a very good coach and QB make this team a strong playoff team. But Pioli doesn't get to make that decision.

**DeezNutz** · 10-30-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This theory is wrong.

Pioli hasn't done a bad job with 90% of this team. It just so happens that the 10% was so glaringly bad it ****ed up the rest of the 90%.

Most of his moves have been terrible.

Baldwin isn't an impact player. Bowe was immediately. Hillis is shit. Brokaki was a terrible selection in light of the other TEs available. CB is worse. D-line still sucks.

Houston. Right now, he's the one true success that Pioli has. Thank goodness for marijuana, or we wouldn't even have him.

Hammock Parties · 10-30-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WV

We've proven that we can run the ball.

Did you see the last two games?

Our running game is a trainwreck.

LJ would have beaten multiple women running behind this line.

keg in kc · 10-30-2012, 05:18 PM

It's bullshit. We can survive with Routt. We can survive with the entire defense. We can survive with the offense, with one exception: a quarterback that was at the top of his position. Because those guys lift the entire team. Ours has dragged it down. Turnovers killed the season.

It's a hard pill to swallow, and I'm sure it's a newsflash to a town that's lived with the martyocre way of doing things for 20 years, but you don't have to have superstars everywhere. You just have to have one. And he has to be behind center. Do you want more? **** yeah you do. You want that game-changing passrusher. You want guys on offense that can break plays. But you rise and fall in today's NFL with the quarterback. You can have 'guy's literally everywhere else. You just can't have one running the offense. Because no matter who else you have, if you don't have a quarterback, you're ****ed. Just ****ed.

Unfortunately, we don't even have a 'guy' under center.

Hammock Parties · 10-30-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

A new coach gets this team playing tough. Our defense was nails last year to close the season, because they were hitting people in the mouth.
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They were hitting Tim Tebow, Caleb hanie, Curtis Painter, Kyle Boller and Donovan McNabb in the mouth.

Fool's gold.

Hitting people in the mouth doesn't work anymore, anyway. You can't touch receivers or quarterbacks, and no one wants to run the ball.

Hammock Parties · 10-30-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

It's bullshit. We can survive with Routt.

You know what a guy like Stanford Routt does on a good team?

He gets you beat in the first round of the playoffs.

And sorry, but we can't survive with this DL. It's horrible.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-30-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WV

I'll say this.....I'm as guilty as the next guy in thinking how great this team looks on paper. However, it's difficult to condemn the entire team based on poor coaching and HORRIBLE QB play. I truely believe our Defense is better than they've shown, but with a Cassel led offense that couldn't score on WVU it's difficult to judge the Defense. We've proven that we can run the ball. I've become more for changing the coaching staff, Pioli, and Cassel....then evaluating the team as opposed to a complete overhaul.

Difficult to judge the defense?

They've allowed points in the 1st quarter in every game this season. Can't blame the offense for that.

54 1st quarter points in 7 games. An average of almost 8 points.

Sorry, but this defense sucks, and the coaching and QB play are only part of the reason why.

WV · 10-30-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Did you see the last two games?

Our running game is a trainwreck.

LJ would have beaten multiple women running behind this line.

I'd agree with you if any team we played had to respect the passing game or didn't know exactly what was coming at them. Even our passes equate to runs, so we have to be the easiest team in the NFL to defend. Daboll is about as creative as a teenager with a handful of playboys....every knows what's cumming.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-30-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Most of his moves have been terrible.

Baldwin isn't an impact player. Bowe was immediately. Hillis is shit. Brokaki was a terrible selection in light of the other TEs available. CB is worse. D-line still sucks.

Houston. Right now, he's the one true success that Pioli has. Thank goodness for marijuana, or we wouldn't even have him.

Yes on most points. Our offensive line went from worst to very good and I believe they could be a top-notch o-line behind a real QB. Our receiver corps went from Bowe and 2 complete rejects to pretty solid. We have a 3-deep RB tandem which we can't see, because defenses are gunning so much for short shit, it's not funny. Our tight ends could be better, but they're solid enough. As a whole, our offensive supporting cast has all the pieces in place to be top tier with a very good QB.

On defense... I don't have a problem with our front 5. DJ and Berry are better than what they're coached to be now. Dorsey and Jackson were fine last year, and Poe will improve. Our corners are better than a lot of trios out there -- think we're nitpicking a bit if we rag on them.

If Poe continues to improve, we get real coaching, and we get a real QB, this is a terrific team. Our pieces look so bad because, again, Pioli made such glaringly bad decisions fueled by arrogance at the few positions you absolutely positively cannot afford to **** up.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-30-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Most of his moves have been terrible.

Baldwin isn't an impact player. Bowe was immediately. Hillis is shit. Brokaki was a terrible selection in light of the other TEs available. CB is worse. D-line still sucks.

Houston. Right now, he's the one true success that Pioli has. Thank goodness for marijuana, or we wouldn't even have him.

Truthiness.

RunKC · 10-30-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Again, agree to disagree.

We need two WRs, a G, depth at HB, and probably a center if Hudson doesn't recover (that was a bad ****ing injury). We might need a TE. Debatable.

Oh yeah, and two quarterbacks.

I'm willing to let Poe have a chance at NT next year. So we'll need a complete overhaul at defensive end, probably a replacement for Belcher, a new starting CB, and at least one safety.

The depth on this team is crap and everyone knows it. Who plays OLB if Hali or Houston go down? Scrub city.

The roster was completely, completely overrated the whole offseason. But that's what you get when people think Allen Bailey and Dexter McCluster are worth shit. They ain't.

Pioli's done a good job on the OL. Jeff Allen is a rookie dude. You want to give Poe a chance, but say Allen sucks? What?

And not even a handful of teams can replace their big players. We lose Houston or Tamba and we're boned. Guess what? Denver loses Von and they're boned. Vikings lose Jared Allen and they're boned.

Only teams I can think of off hand that can still be really good without their best pass rusher are the Giants and Niners.

Hammock Parties · 10-30-2012, 05:23 PM

Sorry, but you need more than just a QB.

Look at the Falcons.

Is Ryan surrounded by a bunch of mediocre slapdicks?

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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	It's bullshit. We can survive with Routt. We can survive with the entire defense. We can survive with the offense, with one exception: a quarterback that was at the top of his position. Because those guys lift the entire team. Ours has dragged it down. Turnovers killed the season. It's a hard pill to swallow, and I'm sure it's a newsflash to a town that's lived with the martyocre way of doing things for 20 years, but you don't have to have superstars everywhere. You just have to have one. And he has to be behind center. Do you want more? **** yeah you do. You want that game-changing passrusher. You want guys on offense that can break plays. But you rise and fall in today's NFL with the quarterback. You can have 'guy's literally everywhere else. You just can't have one running the offense. Because no matter who else you have, if you don't have a quarterback, you're **ed. Just **ed. Unfortunately, we don't even have a 'guy' under center.
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