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Old 12-01-2016, 11:40 AM  
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Analyzing Tyreek Hill's improbable tying TD

So I watched NFL films version of this game and got a few gif's. While watching this, it really made me realize how crazy and fortunate we were on the Tyreek Hill tying TD play.
Looking more in depth revealed some important (even critical) details:

1. Roby should have been called for PI. He hit Hill's helmet and grabbed his left shoulder area. I honestly have no idea how Hill caught this ball.
Roby flies over him and nearly bats the ball but barely misses. I don't know how the hell Hill saw the ball and grabbed it. It was a low pass with Roby right in his line of vision along with his head being hit. It's incredible that he caught this ball in the first place, but it was actually a good thing that this happened bc of where the ball was when Hill had control, thus the overturn of the call. Here's a few gifs showing this:





2. I didn't realize until today that Denver's DL Jared Crick actually tipped the ball. The ball was barely low enough and had enough velocity to make it to Hill without being batted away by Roby.



I don't think this pass is complete without the tip. It looks like it would have been higher and Roby would have got it. Another crazy circumstance that went our way.

3. Finally, seeing the entire play unfold, it was obvious that this was a designed 1 read to Hill. Alex looked at Hill the entire time from the time the ball was snapped.
Look at the bottom. Kelce is wide ****ing open. He clearly beat Darian Stewart by at least 2 steps. It wasn't even close. It would have been as easy TD.



The bottom routes by Kelce and Wilson were basically the exact play design Seattle ran when they lost the SB. That's a damn hard route to stop, especially against Kelce.

It worked and we won, but I really wish Alex would have changed Andy's play design and looked to Kelce. Everyone knew it was a blitz, however Kelce was by far the biggest matchup for us pre-snap.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:28 PM   #31
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It was an all out blitz with a free blitzer from the right side. You don't have time for more than the first read. That's the right call
That makes sense. But I really hope we aren't telegraphing our hot reads somehow.

The defender on Kelce sure seemed lackadaisical - like he somehow knew the ball was never going to Kelce on a blitz.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:28 PM   #32
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I can't tell the initial trajectory of the play prior to being tipped, but is it possible that it was going high and further to the right because he was throwing to Kelce? Or has Alex or the coaching staff already said that Hill was - in fact - the intended receiver? Not that it matters at this point.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:30 PM   #33
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It was an all out blitz with a free blitzer from the right side. You don't have time for more than the first read. That's the right call
This is true, but again with research we know Kelce is the best option. Alex should have seen this pre-snap.

Denver literally had everyone on the line but the 4 DB's on our guys. The correct play is Alex looking at Kelce and lofting it up for him to grab.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:31 PM   #34
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That makes sense. But I really hope we aren't telegraphing our hot reads somehow.

The defender on Kelce sure seemed lackadaisical - like he somehow knew the ball was never going to Kelce on a blitz.
I would think if Denver was rushing heavier on the left side then the throw goes to Kelce. You need that lane to throw. And I can't believe it got tipped. I didn't know that until today as well
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:33 PM   #35
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You should give credit to Alex he knew in order for Hill to make that catch he had to let it get tipped in the first place to get the exact projectory needed, that's Alex Smith brilliance. That was a forced tip by Alex Smith he used the Denver player as a pawn.
That was the first "bank shot" of the night which culminated with Santos' Doink to win.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:34 PM   #36
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I actually think that's why they only get what they get out of him.

Let the dude play freely
100% agreed. Low risk = low reward. Let the baller ball and shit. **** Andy Reid. "Offensive genius" my ****ing ass.

"On this play, ignore the open man. They'll never see it coming..."

Alex needs to grow a set and start checking out of bullshit that he and everyone else knows won't work...
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:35 PM   #37
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Well, I think him not playing freely is alot of his own mentality so I'm not sure what can fix that.
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You should give credit to Alex he knew in order for Hill to make that catch he had to let it get tipped in the first place to get the exact projectory needed, that's Alex Smith brilliance. That was a forced tip by Alex Smith he used the Denver player as a pawn.
Andy Reid is an offensive genius.
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You should give credit to Alex he knew in order for Hill to make that catch he had to let it get tipped in the first place to get the exact projectory needed, that's Alex Smith brilliance. That was a forced tip by Alex Smith he used the Denver player as a pawn.
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Well, I think him not playing freely is alot of his own mentality so I'm not sure what can fix that.
He didn't play like that under Harbaugh in SF...but Andy Reid's fingerprints are unmistakable.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:38 PM   #40
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shut up, just because you like the quarterback of your favorite team, doesnt make you an alex fan, the said person is still a chief fan. This shit is getting really old...

better sentence structure would be I dont ever want to hear anyone mention that alex's interception against the Buc's was tipped.... Rather than making your stupid ass sentence immediately an argument with the "alex fan" comment.
But it IS the Alex fans here. Alex fans are the only ones excusing his interception against the Bucs because the ball was tipped. You dont see others doing that. And they are the same fans that were drooling over Alex's "perfect ball placement" on the touchdown pass to Hill.

So no, its not just Chiefs fans. Its Chiefs fans who have Alex's balls in their mouth. My sentence structure was just fine, because it was only directed at those specific Alex fans.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:39 PM   #41
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He didn't play like that under Harbaugh in SF...but Andy Reid's fingerprints are unmistakable.
He hasn't played that way here, until recently.

But ok.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:43 PM   #43
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But it IS the Alex fans here. Alex fans are the only ones excusing his interception against the Bucs because the ball was tipped. You dont see others doing that. And they are the same fans that were drooling over Alex's "perfect ball placement" on the touchdown pass to Hill.

So no, its not just Chiefs fans. Its Chiefs fans who have Alex's balls in their mouth. My sentence structure was just fine, because it was only directed at those specific Alex fans.
I'm not an apologist, but I don't see how you can blame a QB when a ball gets tipped or a WR gives up on a play. They can't control that.

I also won't gargle a QBs balls over a catch like Hill made. It was pure luck, both ways.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:49 PM   #44
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I really ****ing hate these designed one read bullshit plays.
It wasn't.

There were two reads - Hill and Kelce on mirrored route concepts.

Smith liked his matchup with Hill better. It's a quick-hitter so he had 2 reads but once he decided on his preferred matchup, he really only has the time to make 1 throw.

It's kindof a necessary evil in tight spaces. You're just not going to have a lot of time to get through progressions from that spot on the field. That is actually a really good play design and play call. Perhaps Smith could've made a smarter pre-snap read but it was clear that he preferred the look he got on the Hill side of the formation.
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2. I didn't realize until today that Denver's DL Jared Crick actually tipped the ball. The ball was barely low enough and had enough velocity to make it to Hill without being batted away by Roby.

I don't think this pass is complete without the tip. It looks like it would have been higher and Roby would have got it. Another crazy circumstance that went our way.
I missed that tip as well.

That said, I think the ball is either caught or the PI is so obvious that the official has no choice but to flag it. That pass would've been outside the reach of Roby's right hand unless he used his left hand to latch onto Hill and pull himself across (which he was clearly trying to do until the tip brought it back in). Had Hill not made an adjustment on the tip and instead continued to sprawl, what left hand from Roby would've spun him like a top.

But holy shit, what body control from Hill. That's just instinct right there; that was an incredible play for a guy that's not a natural WR.
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