Defense doesn't win championships. Hard-ass coaches do.

[TinyEvel]

We were one Dee Ford "Was I?" away from the Big Dance and I agree that we would have beaten the Rams last night.

One thing for sure. Throughout the entire playoffs, Belichick had his team damn ready. Brady in a post game interview said something like: "Its a competitive environment, and coach...he makes it tough, but you have to be ready for whatever comes at you"

Kind of like the old statement that the way boot camp in the army was designed to be so hard that war was (metaphorically) easy.

They punched Chargers in the mouth and got 35 points on them by the half.

They punched us in the mouth, kept the ball from us and blanked us for a half. Every guy on the offense had to fight for every yard off the line at the snap.

They did the same to the Rams. Rams just didn't have it in them to get 31 points.

Sutton was a "nice guy." Reid is a nice guy. Not saying he has to go full Chucky, but these coaches could take a clue from Belichick the Sith Hoodie.

The whole "we are an underdog" attitude before the AFCCG was designed to motivate them mentally to do what they did they night. We need that now, to win next year.

A friend of mine, talking about our game said, "I think in their mind the Chiefs had already won their Super Bowl. They embarrassed the Colts, AFCCG was at Arrowhead for the first time, They were on par with Bill/Brady. They were happy instead of hungry and mad."

Think about that.

The royals 90 feet from Victory helped motivate them to the WS trophy the next year. Chiefs need the same.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Bill Belichick is a .450 coach without Brady. Such a genious.

It's Kraft controling Roger who in turn controls the refs. Bill is overrated and so is Brady.

[Hammock Parties]

It had nothing to do with who had a harder ass coach.

It had everything to do with a huge lack of talent and brains on defense.

We didn't have the talent to cover Gronk or Edelman one on one and Sutton was too dumb to adjust on key downs.

And Dee Ford is an obvious dumbass.

[crayzkirk]

Originally Posted by stevegroganfan

Patriots fan here. It is obvious that Reid is a very good coach.

The question I would have as a Chiefs fan is how intelligent/ruthless the Chiefs are in making smart salary cap situations.
...
I think if the Chiefs act that ruthlessly and have competent management, they will win a title with Reid within 3-4 years as long as Mahomes is healthy.

I deleted part of your post because it was long... Anyway, one of the things that has helped the Patriots immensely is the fact that their franchise QB takes much less than what other QBs make. This leaves a lot of money on the table for other players. Combine this with the fact that the AFC East hasn't been very competitive gives the Patriots another advantage.

The Chiefs 'tried' win at any cost near the end of Marty's tenure. It didn't work out well.

I also think the NFL is a lot like NASCAR; if you aren't cheating, you aren't trying. I don't think the Chiefs try hard enough...

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

How many Championships and SBs did Belichick win before he teamed up with Brady?

Oh, NONE!

In fact he was fired from Cleveland for his losing record.

Bit bizarre and cherry picked. The last Browns head coach to go to the playoffs, or win a playoff game is STILL Bill Belichick.

Brady is the GOAT, I certainly support that, but is he really THAT much better than Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, etc.? I'll certainly take Brady over those guys, but I think the margin of difference between Brady and those guys is closer than the margin between Belichick and everyone else. Between the coaching and the team-building aspects of what BB does, he's way ahead of the pack. It's not about putting together a roster of all-pros (not that anyone would turn them down), it's about putting together the best 53 man roster to win games.

Or, as Bum Philips said about Don Shula (paraphrased): "He can take his'n and beat your'n, or take your'n and beat his'n."

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

It had nothing to do with who had a harder ass coach.

It had everything to do with a huge lack of talent and brains on defense.

We didn't have the talent to cover Gronk or Edelman one on one and Sutton was too dumb to adjust on key downs.

And Dee Ford is an obvious dumbass.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

He was NOT the head coach tho'. He was a defensive assistant and special teams coach.

Yeesh. Way to downplay Belichick. He was the defensive coordinator one of whose game plans is literally in the Hall of Fame.

The Patriots under Parcells:

1993: 5-11
1994: 10-6 (lost in the playoffs to Belichick's Browns)
1995: 6-10

Belichick joins the Patriots:

1996: 11-5 -- go to the Super Bowl

The dude has been in the NFL since 1977 and has gone to ELEVEN Super Bowls. 20% of all Super Bowls ever played had BB as a head coach or senior assistant. Think about that.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Bill Belichick is a .450 coach without Brady. Such a genious.

Browns:

1990 (pre-Belichick): 3-13
1991 (Belichick): 6-10
1992: (Belichick): 7-9
1993: (Belichick): 7-9
1994: 11-5, won playoff game (to this day the last one the Browns have won)
1995: Modell announces mid-season that the Browns are moving. City/team spiral to an ugly 5-11 finish


Meanwhile, Peyton/Brees/Rodgers COMBINED have gone to fewer Super Bowls in a combined 44 seasons, and have won fewer Super Bowls, than BB/Brady have in their 17 healthy seasons together. I think Tom Brady is the f'ing GOAT, but is he really light years better than those guys? Or is the difference that given a GREAT QB, BB makes much more out of it than those other coaches can?

[Hammock Parties]

When the Chiefs were beating the Patriots in 2014 and 2017 it had precious little to do with attitude or who had the smarter coach.

It had everything to do with talent.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

When the Chiefs were beating the Patriots in 2014 and 2017 it had precious little to do with attitude or who had the smarter coach.

It had everything to do with talent.

Yep.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

It's Kraft controling Roger who in turn controls the refs. Bill is overrated and so is Brady.

That must be why that incandescent **** stole two first round picks from the Patriots. Because Kraft "controls" him.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

When the Chiefs were beating the Patriots in 2014 and 2017 it had precious little to do with attitude or who had the smarter coach.

It had everything to do with talent.

True. And yet, when Buttons inherited a SMÖRGÅSBORD of defensive players coming in, the best he could achieve was roughly #15 overall.( I think )

Coaching DOES matter.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

True. And yet, when Buttons inherited a SMÖRGÅSBORD of defensive players coming in, the best he could achieve was roughly #15 overall.( I think )

Coaching DOES matter.

Sorry, but you're wrong.

2013 - 5th in points, 24th in yards
2014 - 2nd in points, 7th in yards
2015 - 3rd in points, 7th in yards
2016 - 7th in points, 24th in yards

It's the best 4-year stretch of Chiefs defense in the last 40 years. Talent ALWAYS trumps coaching.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

When the Chiefs were beating the Patriots in 2014 and 2017 it had precious little to do with attitude or who had the smarter coach.

It had everything to do with talent.

It's completely bizarre to think that every game is won by the team with more talent on the field. Coaching doesn't matter?

Teams also change over the course of a season. The team you have in September is NEVER the team you have in January. Between injuries and personnel moves, plus COACHING, the team almost inevitably improves, but the team that improves the most (relative to other teams, all of which are likely improving barring catastrophic injuries) is the team with the better coaching staff.

Not just X's and O's, but:

1. realizing strengths and weaknesses of your own team,

2. recognizing and eliminating tells and mitigating tendencies,

3. deciding which plays that aren't working should be eliminated, and which ones should be re-emphasized and better taught so they will work better on game day

4. deciding which personnel packages work best -- e.g. which groupings of players can best perform any given assignment or style of play.

5. matching plays to personnel packages, and vice versa.

6. coaching up players to eliminate mistakes, in every area from the fundamentals to mental errors to play-specific acts.

7. using whatever techniques you can to keep both the team morale and effort level high despite outside distractions, the long, grueling grind of the year, etc.

Or, you know, it's nothing but "talent"...

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sorry, but you're wrong.

2013 - 5th in points, 24th in yards
2014 - 2nd in points, 7th in yards
2015 - 3rd in points, 7th in yards
2016 - 7th in points, 24th in yards

It's the best 4-year stretch of Chiefs defense in the last 40 years. Talent ALWAYS trumps coaching.

Talent usually trumps coaching, I agree with that, but coaching is often the difference where the talent is RELATIVELY equal.

[htismaqe]

You can't just morph it into "coaching doesn't matter". That's not the case.

Talent is the cake, coaching is the icing. Without coaching, you have a functional but dry dessert that seems incomplete. Without talent, you have a useless tub of sugary pseudo-pudding that only the most desperate would eat by itself.