Chiefs Defense is better without Jones? - Page 3

JakeF · 10-19-2019, 02:06 PM

Denver's offensive line is weak so all of this is wait and see but we definitely seem to have a more structured Defense without Jones. Jones' talent is undeniable but his play has a serious flaw. He abandons the run to attack the QB.

With Jones gone, we have 2 bigger guys in the middle who play the run 1st. They also protect our linebackers who are freed up to read and attack. With the center of our defense now anchored, the outside guys (clark,ogbah, okafor) can be more aggressive. It also keeps the middle of the field clear for our safeties.

That's what seemed to change for our defense against Denver.

Hitchens played his best game and Ragland showed up like he never has before. Frank Clark was better and Matheiu was more aggressive.

Having DT's that protect your LBs is so important. I would rather have Clark,Okafor and Ogbah getting sacks than Jones.

I think Hitchens and Ragland can even start getting some sacks without guards in their face on every play.

JakeF · 10-19-2019, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The defense was better because they played physical, aggressive, TEAM defense. Every guy busting their ass to do their job. Flacco and Denver didn’t hurt either...

If Jones comes in and does that as well, the defense will be much better as a whole.

Very possible

Was it Denver's Oline being shitty?
Was it the Chiefs just deciding to play harder?
Was it better scheme play because Jones wasn't ****ing it up?

We'll see.

Megatron96 · 10-19-2019, 04:34 PM

Actually I agree with PnD19 and D-9; there's not enough evidence to say definitively that the run defense is better without Jones. It was only one game, against what appeared to be one of the worst OLs in the NFL. And it was obvious that our defense, particularly our front-7 came out and played at a completely different level of intensity than they have all season.

But saying that our run defense is now a solid unit after just one game isn't clear and obvious. We need to see them play against some better OLs. The games against the Packers and the Vikings will be much more telling, IMO.

If he comes back sometime in the next two weeks, particularly against either the Vikings or the Packers, and the run D is dramatically better or worse will be a lot more telling about his effect. And that's assuming the front-7 plays similarly to how they played Thursday night.

And it's a fact that Jones is the most capable and athletic of our DTs. At the end of the day, we really need him to be playing well for us going forward.

**wazu** · 10-19-2019, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The defense was better because they played physical, aggressive, TEAM defense. Every guy busting their ass to do their job. Flacco and Denver didn’t hurt either...

If Jones comes in and does that as well, the defense will be much better as a whole.

This is my hope. Maybe the system is coming together and team leadership is bringing a different attitude. Jones comes back and takes it up another notch.

Coogs · 10-19-2019, 04:40 PM

There was a similar conversation a couple of years ago when Peters had his one game suspension. Peters freelanced a bunch and left his teammates hanging out to dry. Peters got his one game suspension. Defense had it's best performance of the season that day.

Just sayin'

Jones did say before the season he wasn't sure about this new defense. Paraphrasing of course.

Chieftain · 10-19-2019, 04:40 PM

Veach should "Dee Ford" the whole Jones contract situation. Franchise tag him and trade him for a 2nd rounder. Get an IML at the draft with that pick.

Dunerdr · 10-19-2019, 04:52 PM

I love Chris Jones but I recently wondered what Bill Bellicheat would do with Jones. He’s be sidelined for ****ing up run plays until they needed him to rush the passer, and probably tagged and traded.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-19-2019, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Our Defense didn't all of the sudden get good because Jones is out. Spags put a different plan together because his coaching ass is on the line. Our linebackers never attacked like this before. I just hope this wasn't a fluke!

I always hate the theory that a coach saves his best stuff for the end of the season. But I still really wonder if that was the case here. Our D was uncharacteristically vanilla to start the season.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 10-19-2019, 05:09 PM

Hitchens said they didn’t do anything different. There mentality was different he said

**notorious** · 10-19-2019, 05:14 PM

They played against a pile of shit team. Jones is a stud.

No.

Chris Meck · 10-19-2019, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The defense was better because they played physical, aggressive, TEAM defense. Every guy busting their ass to do their job. Flacco and Denver didn’t hurt either...

If Jones comes in and does that as well, the defense will be much better as a whole.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

dlphg9 · 10-19-2019, 07:50 PM

This stupid ass Jones goes rogue is just some over blown saying that was initially used as an excuse by people to defend Frank Clark. "Chris Jones is only rushing the passer so well because he goes rogue and Frank Clark holds his edge", Its ****ing reeruned.

staylor26 · 10-19-2019, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

This stupid ass Jones goes rogue is just some over blown saying that was initially used as an excuse by people to defend Frank Clark. "Chris Jones is only rushing the passer so well because he goes rogue and Frank Clark holds his edge", Its ****ing reeruned.

No it actually started before that. CP really does hate Jones. It’s weird as ****.

Mama Hip Rockets · 10-19-2019, 08:05 PM

Wasn't Chris Jones out for the previous 1.5 games when they gave up 16,000 rushing yards to Indianapolis and Houston?

The defense was better because they played the horrendous Broncos instead of Indy or Houston.

**PHOG** · 10-19-2019, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mama Hip Rockets

Wasn't Chris Jones out for the previous 1.5 games when they gave up 16,000 rushing yards to Indianapolis and Houston?

The defense was better because they played the horrendous Broncos instead of Indy or Houston.

That is a true story

JD10367 · 10-19-2019, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I love Chris Jones but I recently wondered what Bill Bellicheat would do with Jones. He’s be sidelined for ****ing up run plays until they needed him to rush the passer, and probably tagged and traded.

your and idiot

But, since you bring it up, perhaps your whole "Chris Jones freelances too much and maybe the D is better without him" thing is kind of similar to the Pats and Jamie Collins. When they had him, he was an occasionally great player who freelanced once too often and got sent packing to (at the time) football Siberia (Cleveland). He figured it out and started to become more disciplined and has become a better player this second time around with the Pats.

10-19-2019, 02:06 PM
JakeF MVP Join Date: May 2017 Casino cash: $9990400	Defense is better without Jones? Denver's offensive line is weak so all of this is wait and see but we definitely seem to have a more structured Defense without Jones. Jones' talent is undeniable but his play has a serious flaw. He abandons the run to attack the QB. With Jones gone, we have 2 bigger guys in the middle who play the run 1st. They also protect our linebackers who are freed up to read and attack. With the center of our defense now anchored, the outside guys (clark,ogbah, okafor) can be more aggressive. It also keeps the middle of the field clear for our safeties. That's what seemed to change for our defense against Denver. Hitchens played his best game and Ragland showed up like he never has before. Frank Clark was better and Matheiu was more aggressive. Having DT's that protect your LBs is so important. I would rather have Clark,Okafor and Ogbah getting sacks than Jones. I think Hitchens and Ragland can even start getting some sacks without guards in their face on every play.
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10-19-2019, 04:34 PM	#32
Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $450400	Actually I agree with PnD19 and D-9; there's not enough evidence to say definitively that the run defense is better without Jones. It was only one game, against what appeared to be one of the worst OLs in the NFL. And it was obvious that our defense, particularly our front-7 came out and played at a completely different level of intensity than they have all season. But saying that our run defense is now a solid unit after just one game isn't clear and obvious. We need to see them play against some better OLs. The games against the Packers and the Vikings will be much more telling, IMO. If he comes back sometime in the next two weeks, particularly against either the Vikings or the Packers, and the run D is dramatically better or worse will be a lot more telling about his effect. And that's assuming the front-7 plays similarly to how they played Thursday night. And it's a fact that Jones is the most capable and athletic of our DTs. At the end of the day, we really need him to be playing well for us going forward.
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10-19-2019, 04:40 PM	#34
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $104349	There was a similar conversation a couple of years ago when Peters had his one game suspension. Peters freelanced a bunch and left his teammates hanging out to dry. Peters got his one game suspension. Defense had it's best performance of the season that day. Just sayin' Jones did say before the season he wasn't sure about this new defense. Paraphrasing of course.
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10-19-2019, 04:40 PM	#35
Chieftain Fan since 1997 Join Date: Nov 2018 Casino cash: $400400	Veach should "Dee Ford" the whole Jones contract situation. Franchise tag him and trade him for a 2nd rounder. Get an IML at the draft with that pick.
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10-19-2019, 04:52 PM	#36
Dunerdr MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $-570000	I love Chris Jones but I recently wondered what Bill Bellicheat would do with Jones. He’s be sidelined for ****ing up run plays until they needed him to rush the passer, and probably tagged and traded. __________________ Adopt-A-Chief- Rachel Santschi
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10-19-2019, 05:09 PM	#38
MAHOMO 4 LIFE! In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2018 Casino cash: $6410400	Hitchens said they didn’t do anything different. There mentality was different he said
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10-19-2019, 05:14 PM	#39
notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $1425884	They played against a pile of shit team. Jones is a stud. No.
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10-19-2019, 07:50 PM	#41
dlphg9 MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $729653	This stupid ass Jones goes rogue is just some over blown saying that was initially used as an excuse by people to defend Frank Clark. "Chris Jones is only rushing the passer so well because he goes rogue and Frank Clark holds his edge", Its ****ing reeruned.
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10-19-2019, 08:05 PM	#43
Mama Hip Rockets You don't faze me, Gobble. Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $10005644	Wasn't Chris Jones out for the previous 1.5 games when they gave up 16,000 rushing yards to Indianapolis and Houston? The defense was better because they played the horrendous Broncos instead of Indy or Houston.
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