Chiefs Defense is better without Jones?

JakeF · 10-19-2019, 02:06 PM

Denver's offensive line is weak so all of this is wait and see but we definitely seem to have a more structured Defense without Jones. Jones' talent is undeniable but his play has a serious flaw. He abandons the run to attack the QB.

With Jones gone, we have 2 bigger guys in the middle who play the run 1st. They also protect our linebackers who are freed up to read and attack. With the center of our defense now anchored, the outside guys (clark,ogbah, okafor) can be more aggressive. It also keeps the middle of the field clear for our safeties.

That's what seemed to change for our defense against Denver.

Hitchens played his best game and Ragland showed up like he never has before. Frank Clark was better and Matheiu was more aggressive.

Having DT's that protect your LBs is so important. I would rather have Clark,Okafor and Ogbah getting sacks than Jones.

I think Hitchens and Ragland can even start getting some sacks without guards in their face on every play.

poolboy · 10-19-2019, 02:07 PM

yes, who would have thunk it?

rabblerouser · 10-19-2019, 02:08 PM

Put Jones at end. Clark at LB.

Profit.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 10-19-2019, 02:09 PM

Also not having Darron Lee on the field helped but definitely Saunders and Nnadi we’re splitting double teams all day long. Sticking to their assignments and letting other players like the linebackers make the plays!! Exactly what Mathieu said we needed to do. Jones literally shoots the wrong hole and allows running lanes that a semi can drive through

UChieffyBugger · 10-19-2019, 02:17 PM

I'm glad someone started this thread as I was gonna ask this very question

. Although tbh I think putting Jones at DE opposite Clark could be the way forward and then just rotate Okafor and Ogbah in to keep the D-line fresh and dangerous. Saunders was known for his pass rushing skills in college so it might not be long before we see him getting to the QB as well.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 10-19-2019, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

I'm glad someone started this thread as I was gonna ask this very question

. Although tbh I think putting Jones at DE opposite Clark could be the way forward and then just rotate Okafor and Ogbah in to put the D-line fresh and dangerous. Saunders was known for his pass rushing skills in college so it might not be long before we see him getting to the QB as well.

He was rock solid against the run last week. That stuffed failed 2 point conversion happened because of him splitting the double team and Ragland filling his gap

-King- · 10-19-2019, 02:20 PM

Already? This really is overreaction planet

Hog's Gone Fishin · 10-19-2019, 02:39 PM

Our Defense didn't all of the sudden get good because Jones is out. Spags put a different plan together because his coaching ass is on the line. Our linebackers never attacked like this before. I just hope this wasn't a fluke!

Chris Meck · 10-19-2019, 02:40 PM

I like Jones, but I've been as critical as anyone about his freelancing.

He's talented, but if he's not going to play scheme-sound football, then yeah, he'll be a liability, especially on run downs.

Let's hope that watching the game Thursday got him a Jones-sized woody for team play.

carcosa · 10-19-2019, 02:41 PM

Wallcrawler · 10-19-2019, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Already? This really is overreaction planet

Jones has always been a pass rush first player. Theres no already about it.

With him out of the middle, and the tackles just doing their job, the run defense was massively improved.

Pass rush is fantastic, but not if it creates a situation in the run game where the offense literally never has to throw.

Put him at end, or get him on board with the scheme in the middle.

**wazu** · 10-19-2019, 02:42 PM

Have been wondering about this as well. Will definitely need to see if this new look D is still showing up the next 2 weeks before believing this could be possible.

dlphg9 · 10-19-2019, 02:43 PM

Holy **** this place is ****ing filled with stupid mother ****ers. You realize he was out against the Texans and they shoved our shit in? He was in against the Raiders and we owned them. So somehow you come to this reeruned conclusion that we are better with out Jones? Sound logic, idiot.

**wazu** · 10-19-2019, 02:45 PM

To those acting like this is a stupid thing to even wonder about, remember that Thursday night, there was one point where there was a very real possibility that the Chiefs were going to break the all-time record for sacks in a game. Without Chris Jones. And yes much of that was on their horrid offense, but they've been able to run the ball against others this year just fine.

Chris Meck · 10-19-2019, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Holy **** this place is ****ing filled with stupid mother ****ers. You realize he was out against the Texans and they shoved our shit in? He was in against the Raiders and we owned them. So somehow you come to this reeruned conclusion that we are better with out Jones? Sound logic, idiot.

I don't think either of your characterizations are quite accurate.

I don't think anyone is saying we're better without Jones, just that the ONE real dominant performance showed 11 guys all maintaining their responisibilities and so were successful. Jones is known for not doing that a fair amount.

I think we all would prefer if Jones were healthy, in the line-up, and not freelancing.

Big man needs to stay in his lane.

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JakeF MVP Join Date: May 2017 Casino cash: $9990400	Defense is better without Jones? Denver's offensive line is weak so all of this is wait and see but we definitely seem to have a more structured Defense without Jones. Jones' talent is undeniable but his play has a serious flaw. He abandons the run to attack the QB. With Jones gone, we have 2 bigger guys in the middle who play the run 1st. They also protect our linebackers who are freed up to read and attack. With the center of our defense now anchored, the outside guys (clark,ogbah, okafor) can be more aggressive. It also keeps the middle of the field clear for our safeties. That's what seemed to change for our defense against Denver. Hitchens played his best game and Ragland showed up like he never has before. Frank Clark was better and Matheiu was more aggressive. Having DT's that protect your LBs is so important. I would rather have Clark,Okafor and Ogbah getting sacks than Jones. I think Hitchens and Ragland can even start getting some sacks without guards in their face on every play.
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UChieffyBugger CP'S "MOST HATED" 😆 Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $2340400	I'm glad someone started this thread as I was gonna ask this very question . Although tbh I think putting Jones at DE opposite Clark could be the way forward and then just rotate Okafor and Ogbah in to keep the D-line fresh and dangerous. Saunders was known for his pass rushing skills in college so it might not be long before we see him getting to the QB as well. Last edited by UChieffyBugger; 10-19-2019 at 02:22 PM..
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Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1440477	Our Defense didn't all of the sudden get good because Jones is out. Spags put a different plan together because his coaching ass is on the line. Our linebackers never attacked like this before. I just hope this wasn't a fluke!
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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1704910	I like Jones, but I've been as critical as anyone about his freelancing. He's talented, but if he's not going to play scheme-sound football, then yeah, he'll be a liability, especially on run downs. Let's hope that watching the game Thursday got him a Jones-sized woody for team play.
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wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $1922295 VARSITY	Have been wondering about this as well. Will definitely need to see if this new look D is still showing up the next 2 weeks before believing this could be possible.
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dlphg9 MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $1909653	Holy ** this place is ing filled with stupid mother **ers. You realize he was out against the Texans and they shoved our shit in? He was in against the Raiders and we owned them. So somehow you come to this reeruned conclusion that we are better with out Jones? Sound logic, idiot.
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wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $1922295 VARSITY	To those acting like this is a stupid thing to even wonder about, remember that Thursday night, there was one point where there was a very real possibility that the Chiefs were going to break the all-time record for sacks in a game. Without Chris Jones. And yes much of that was on their horrid offense, but they've been able to run the ball against others this year just fine.
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