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Old 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM  
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Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+
I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:28 PM   #436
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It's more fun that being an asshole who deals in absolutes
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:29 PM   #437
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And why the hell wouldn't any of us want Cassel to be surrounded by playmakers that would make him look good?
Beats the shit out of me... Hell I want Cassel to succeed and lead this team to a superbowl win.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:29 PM   #438
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You know, you've once again lost all of your credibility with me.

You ****ing talk in absolutes then when challenged, ask one of your stupid, passive-aggressive questions.

I'll ask you once again, which offensive lineman from rounds 3-7 did the Chiefs pass on, that would have made such a HUGE contribution.

I already admitted I was wrong about Urbick.

What the **** is wrong with you not being able to admit when you're wrong or not being able to back up your SHIT?

Hootie's right: You're a ****ing PHONY.

And I've just joined in with the other 11,997 Chiefsplanet members in laughing at YOU.
mecca aside, Eric Wood and Andy Levitre were both starters for the Bills last season, and will be slated to start again, and should improve substantially with a season under their belt this year.

Jamon Merdith also took a lot of snaps for them and played credibly as an injury replacement at Rt, while Demtrius Bell looked like a guy with real upside who just needs to learn technique at LT.

That's 4 guys on one team.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:30 PM   #439
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Lets see...

Louis Vazquez is a starting guard for the Chargers
Antoine Caldwell would have been a solid pick
TJ Lang started games at LT for the Packers
Jamon Meredith started games at RT for Buffalo and could have even been had after the draft


Is that a sufficient enough list or should I add more?
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:30 PM   #440
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:31 PM   #441
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#1 - he will probably get a few carries here and there, especially after Jones leaves
#2 - But lots of people think we should have gotten Golden Tate. Why do people think that was a great pick but that this pick is, for some reason, reserved only for a "part-time player"?
#3 - Why would his neck get broken? The kid's smaller, but he's not nearly the same size as Dante Hall. He's big and he's strong. I worry a lot more about Charles' durability than I do McCluster's.
1. I can only speak for myself, by Golden Tate is a legit WR3 on day one, with the upside to be a WR2. McCluster is a RB being converted to WR3, who's upside is likely - a WR3.

2. Dante Hall weighed around 185 pounds. 15-18 pounds more than McCluster. And comparing him to Dante isn't good for the argument, considering Hall never amounted to anything at WR, and was only a factor in the return game for approximately 3 years.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:31 PM   #442
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Let's just call it what it is, we made several picks to make Matt Cassel look competent because Scott Pioli is not going to admit he screwed that up.
We picked more defensive players than offense. If that argument were true we would have went offense in round 1.

We have used a shit ton of picks on defensive linemen the last few years at the expense of offensive play makers.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:31 PM   #443
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mecca aside, Eric Wood and Andy Levitre were both starters for the Bills last season, and will be slated to start again, and should improve substantially with a season under their belt this year.

Jamon Merdith also took a lot of snaps for them and played credibly as an injury replacement at Rt, while Demtrius Bell looked like a guy with real upside who just needs to learn technique at LT.

That's 4 guys on one team.
He's going to tell you some of those guys don't count....here it comes.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:31 PM   #444
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OTW did you watch any of the senoir bowl practices?
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:32 PM   #445
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McCluster has played WR. He was a WR his first two years at Ole' Miss.

And the slot receiver is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to transition into. Nickel backs play off and you typically don't have to worry about bumps and getting off the line of scrimmage, which is easily the biggest adjustment in the NFL. You also get a lot of screens and underneath stuff, which doesn't require flawless route running.
I guess that Ole Miss fan that was posting here is a blatant liar.

And considering that Alabama is as close as I come to having an allegiance to a CFB team, I see a lot of SEC football - and no, he wasn't.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:33 PM   #446
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So I think we're getting carried away with the notion of two tight end sets.
I don't think it will happen frequently, but two TE sets and 2 WR sets will happen enough that will make your idea of McCluster seeing 67% of snaps on downs 1-3 impossible.

As I said, I would ****ign love to be wrong, because he would pretty much have to be a rookie sensation for this to happen over 16 weeks..meaning that even with the 36th pick overall he was a hell of a pick. I would love that, I just think the odds are grim.
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OTW did you watch any of the senoir bowl practices?
PRACTICE? WE TALKIN' 'BOUT PRACTICE?
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As I said, all you have to do is do the math. For us to achieve your concept of Mcluster being on the field 67% of downs 1-3 it would be impossible.

We would have to play 3wr sets 2/3 downs of (1-3)

He would have to be in every one of them.

He would have to not get tired or hurt doing this.

We could never not use anything but a 3wr formation...


It just isn't going to work out like this....We will probably use a standard 2 wr formation at least 40% of downs 1-3 for one thing.

I could go on but I am hoping you will get the point and give this one up.
You can run a 2-WR set with dual backs and motion McCluster off to the slot, based on the matchup. You can use McCluster as the 2nd RB, which I expect to happen a few years in when Jones is through. You can use McCluster in a 2-TE set with 2 WRs and either run McCluster or motion him out of the backfield from an empty backfield set. You can use him in the wildcat. You're basically giving him slot receiver reps and adding in the capability to run in dual-back sets or as the primary RB when Charles needs a blow.

And I expect he'll return kicks, while Arenas returns punts.

It's not a full-time player. But they'll find a way to get the kid on the field an awful lot.
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mecca aside, Eric Wood and Andy Levitre were both starters for the Bills last season, and will be slated to start again, and should improve substantially with a season under their belt this year.

Jamon Merdith also took a lot of snaps for them and played credibly as an injury replacement at Rt, while Demtrius Bell looked like a guy with real upside who just needs to learn technique at LT.

That's 4 guys on one team.
Levitre was taken in the second, so he doesn't count. Wood was a guard, Meredith was picked up on waivers from GB and Bell might be good someday.

None of those guys were particularly special and I think it's safe to say (especially in the case of Meredith, since they had a chance to claim him) that the Chiefs didn't like any of them.

And as I mentioned earlier, I'd take Asamoah over any of them.

It's like the linebacker thing this year: I don't think that any of the guys available at #36 or #50 were "special" players, just good prospects.
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He's going to tell you some of those guys don't count....here it comes.
Dane can be stubborn and a pit bull., but I also think he's also reasonable when presnted with legitimate evidence.
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