NFL Draft Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the 3rd pick? - Page 31

Mecca · 02-18-2009, 08:58 PM

Since I'm seeing people starting to lean that way I really want to know...he's not a rusher 9 1/2 sacks in 4 years...he has nearly as many INT's as he does sacks over the course of his college career...

Does this mean he's a bad player no it doesn't, but the type of LB he is does not make him worth a top 5 pick. Fathom this Ernie Sims was taken 10 as a traditional 4-3 OLB he's a very nice player...is he a difference maker up in Detroit, he's not. And it can be easily argued that he's more naturally gifted than Curry is..the OLB position in a 4-3 is not a game changing core position.

Not to mention you could sign the #1 LB on the market of FA for half of what you'd have to pay Curry to do the same thing.

CoMoChief · 02-19-2009, 11:15 AM

Why is Sanchez worth #3.......just because he plays QB?!?!? Because thats how a lot of people on this board think believe it or not.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-19-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think our 2nd is going to have to be our pass rusher, and it may involve moving up, unless we do something completely unexpected with the #3.

I would not be surprised if the Chiefs first five picks were offensive players.

QB, C, RB, RT, RG.

The value isn't there for defensive players this year the way it is for offensive players, particularly lineman and receivers.

Since the Chiefs aren't going anywhere in 2009, it would be prudent to select the players that could best help the team, regardless of defensive needs.

2010 is the draft for defense and the offensive lineman aren't anywhere near as deep and impressive as they are in 2009.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-19-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar

As I've said repeadedly, I'm not saying he's Lewis, but he does have a lot of the same skill set. I bring up Ray because he is an exceptional LB who doesnt rush the passer.

I'm sorry, I would never put Aaron Curry and Ray Lewis in the same sentence.

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Originally Posted by melbar

Gholston was heralded as the second coming on this board last (particularly Mecca) year even though he hadnt reached his "potential" and he had Motivation problems. His new coach brought up the same issues this year. I hope he finds the motivation to succeed I really do, but I dont think that a player that cant get motivated to play is worthy of a high pick and thusfar that evaluation has been correct.

He WAS selected 6th overall, so regardless of the forum members opinions, the one that counted felt he was worthy of a Top Ten selection. Personally, I think the Jets organization was so out of whack with the Brett Favre drama that the Jets actually underperformed across the board. They needed an organizational change (and should have dumped their GM as well). I have no vested interest whatsoever in Gholston but if anyone can help him to become a stellar defensive player, it's Rex Ryan.

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Originally Posted by melbar

My bad on Merriman. He's still pretty valuable to his team. They werent the same without him.

And they still won the division AND beat the 12-4 Colts without the services of Merriman & LT.

And some people here think the division is up for grabs in 2009.

Molitoth · 02-19-2009, 11:22 AM

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Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the 3rd pick?

He's not. You win.

Errr wait....

Sanchez is not worth a #3 either.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-19-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I agree with most of your point but that still didn't answer my question. If they pass on the QB's doesn't that say more about the QB's than it does about Pioli\Haley?

I would think so.

That's a difficult question to answer. Are they arrogant? Do they think that they can take just any QB and turn him into a Super Bowl QB? Are they scared to take a QB at the top of the draft, fearing for their jobs if he doesn't pan out?

These are all questions that need answering. But we won't know the answers until April 28th at the earliest.

**DeezNutz** · 02-19-2009, 11:25 AM

What's the case for Jenkins, based on his skill set, not positional value?

You draft a corner at #3 overall, you're basically saying he's a Sanders-level prospect, and I don't see this at all.

Who is going to carry the water for justifying this selection if the QB's would happen to go 1-2, which is very unlikely.

I'm on record as saying that I think the Jenkins selection would be a mistake. Someone convince me otherwise, and I understand the positional argument, so let's not go there.

Mark M · 02-19-2009, 11:27 AM

Thought:

Does anyone else think that these discussions will be a lot less interesting if/when the NFL gets a rookie salary cap?

It seems to me that many want a safe pick, rather than taking a "chance" on a QB, because missing on that QB will not only set on-the-field development back several years, but will also completely jack up the salary cap for years. It's just insanely expensive to whiff on a pick that will cost so damn much.

Without the thought of wasting tens of millions of dollars, would the concern be that great? Would "taking a chance" be more appealing if the finances were less of a concern?

Or does this not factor into it at all?

MM
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Brock · 02-19-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark M

Thought:

Does anyone else think that these discussions will be a lot less interesting if/when the NFL gets a rookie salary cap?

It seems to me that many want a safe pick, rather than taking a "chance" on a QB, because missing on that QB will not only set on-the-field development back several years, but will also completely jack up the salary cap for years. It's just insanely expensive to whiff on a pick that will cost so damn much.

Without the thought of wasting tens of millions of dollars, would the concern be that great? Would "taking a chance" be more appealing if the finances were less of a concern?

Or does this not factor into it at all?

MM
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Missing on a draft pick doesn't really set your franchise back if you know what you're doing. The Chargers missed on Leaf and got well again within a few years. The money is obviously what bothers NFL owners.

jidar · 02-19-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He's not the best player on my board because see positional value factors in...hell I might think Chris Wells is great he's still a RB which means I'm not taking him in the top 10.

that's an odd statement. RBs regularly go top 10 and sometimes top 5.

crazycoffey · 02-19-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

oh, or Crabtree who is also a huge risk. I honestly "feel" he is gonna be great but I have ABSOLUTELY nothing to back that up... just gut feeling. His numbers(speed etc) and history(route running) don't really support that.

I'd rather have Maclin than crabtree....

Mark M · 02-19-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Missing on a draft pick doesn't really set your franchise back if you know what you're doing. The Chargers missed on Leaf and got well again within a few years. The money is obviously what bothers NFL owners.

The Chargers sure as hell did lucky with that, didn't they?

Although they did have to wait a few years to sort out the QB position after the Leaf debacle (which did, in fact, set them back a bit), they wound up landing two guys who wound up being damn good in Rivers and Brees.

So the Charges land two franchise QBs in a span of a few years, yet the Chiefs have NEVER drafted one in 46 years.

MM
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jidar · 02-19-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

I just have a feeling he will do well on the pro level, top 10 worthy at the least if not top 5. BUT as I said, nothing to back that up with. If neither QB is there and Crabtree is left and we haven't traded LJ (fat chance) I really have no clue what to do. OT is the big "value" but damn that would be a hard pill to swallow... I would guess you have to go with Jenkins unless Raji(sp) somehow is WAY better than I imagine he is and we reach there. I seriously doubt that Raji is that good, I think he is just the ONLY NT that looks decent enough and that is why he is rated as high as he is now.

...but thankfully, I don't do this for a living....

uhhhhhh what?
Crabtree doesn't have the numbers? 22 TDs, 134 catches, 1962 yards in 2009? You realize the Division 1 all time td record is only 27?

Yeah Maclin is great, and in another years he might have been the first WR taken, but Crabtree stats are the best for a WR coming out of college in many years.

If he drops to us I'd be thrilled to take him, but likely the #1 and #2 picks are him and Stafford.

jidar · 02-19-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

I'd rather have Maclin than crabtree....

not a chance.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-19-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jidar

uhhhhhh what?
Crabtree doesn't have the numbers? 22 TDs, 134 catches, 1962 yards in 2009? You realize the Division 1 all time td record is only 27?

Yeah Maclin is great, and in another years he might have been the first WR taken, but Crabtree stats are the best for a WR coming out of college in many years.

If he drops to us I'd be thrilled to take him, but likely the #1 and #2 picks are him and Stafford.

Crabtree played in the spread, is a poor route runner and his speed is a concern. He also played against the worst defenses in the country.

There are plenty of questions surrounding Crabtree's ability and his decision not to run at the Combine will only cause more concern among teams and scouts.

jidar · 02-19-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Crabtree played in the spread, is a poor route runner and his speed is a concern. He also played against the worst defenses in the country.

There are plenty of questions surrounding Crabtree's ability and his decision not to run at the Combine will only cause more concern among teams and scouts.

He's the #1 receiver right now, he has nothing to gain at the combine. Lots of the top players aren't at the combine

02-18-2009, 08:58 PM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-772950	Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the 3rd pick? Since I'm seeing people starting to lean that way I really want to know...he's not a rusher 9 1/2 sacks in 4 years...he has nearly as many INT's as he does sacks over the course of his college career... Does this mean he's a bad player no it doesn't, but the type of LB he is does not make him worth a top 5 pick. Fathom this Ernie Sims was taken 10 as a traditional 4-3 OLB he's a very nice player...is he a difference maker up in Detroit, he's not. And it can be easily argued that he's more naturally gifted than Curry is..the OLB position in a 4-3 is not a game changing core position. Not to mention you could sign the #1 LB on the market of FA for half of what you'd have to pay Curry to do the same thing.
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Mark M What time is it? Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: You tell me ... Casino cash: $9884900	Thought: Does anyone else think that these discussions will be a lot less interesting if/when the NFL gets a rookie salary cap? It seems to me that many want a safe pick, rather than taking a "chance" on a QB, because missing on that QB will not only set on-the-field development back several years, but will also completely jack up the salary cap for years. It's just insanely expensive to whiff on a pick that will cost so damn much. Without the thought of wasting tens of millions of dollars, would the concern be that great? Would "taking a chance" be more appealing if the finances were less of a concern? Or does this not factor into it at all? MM ~~ __________________ ChiefsPlanet -- n. The place where brilliant minds assemble to willfully pool ignorance with questionable logic in order to reach absurd conclusions.
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