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'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-02-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Name me a recent trade where a team got more for a player. It's certainly possible I've overlooked one, but nothing comes to mind.

Name me a recent trade where a 25 year old QB with limitless upside, coming off of a Pro Bowl season was traded.

Nightfyre · 04-02-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Name me a recent trade where a team got more for a player. It's certainly possible I've overlooked one, but nothing comes to mind.

Uh, any time a top 5 pick has been traded. They got the equivalent of the 7th Pick on the DVC + Orton. My analytics are in the thread about who won the trade.

Frazod · 04-02-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

At this point, it's pretty safe to say that everyone else in football is smarter than McDaniels.

You have two things:

1) The #2 ranked offense that achieved such a ranking with no running game last year
2) The #30 ranked defense

Your first move is to try and get rid of the most important player on your team, the guy who got that back-less offense to #2, for a guy who is older, more expensive, less talented, less experienced, and locked up for a shorter term.

If we dredged Fredo Corleone out of the lake, his water-bloated corpse would call up McDaniels and say

"Look at this. Look at how stupid you are."

Perhaps. But what if McDaniels, with complete access to all the behind-the-scenes knowledge that we humble denizens of the intraweb can only guess about, had a damn good reason for doing what he did?

That is just as likely as anything you, Mecca or anybody else here are speculating about.

Time will tell. Again, if it ends up being a screw job for Denver and a steal for Chicago, I will be pleased. Hell, I'm the only one here who could potentially end up with a Cutler Bears jersey.

Denver Dave · 04-02-2009, 06:20 PM

At this point, the only thing I want is McDaniels to fall flat on his face with a 1-15 showing so we can boot his ass out of here after one year.

htismaqe · 04-02-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Cassel doesn't have to fail for this to be a blunder.

If Stafford or Sanchez, or both, develop into top 5-6 QBs in the NFL, and Cassel is just an average QB, then it's blunder in my book.

I personally think that there's a good chance that is exactly what will happen.

Well, that would assume we actually have a chance to draft them.

And I would call your above scenario "failure" so my statement still applies.

htismaqe · 04-02-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Well, it is likely that we would have only had a chance at one of them anyway. If Stafford goes #1 and is great, then it doesn't matter.

Yep.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-02-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Perhaps. But what if McDaniels, with complete access to all the behind-the-scenes knowledge that we humble denizens of the intraweb can only guess about, had a damn good reason for doing what he did?

That is just as likely as anything you, Mecca or anybody else here are speculating about.

Time will tell. Again, if it ends up being a screw job for Denver and a steal for Chicago, I will be pleased. Hell, I'm the only one here who could potentially end up with a Cutler Bears jersey.

Look back at how incestuous the Parcells-tree guys are with quarterbacks, or just players in general. It tells you all you need to know.

Parcells picks up Testaverde in NYJ, then he follows him to Dallas. Bledsoe also follows him to Dallas. Hell, Ray ****ing Lucas went from the Pats to the Jets following Parcells. Pennington went from the Jets (where he was drafted by Parcells) to being signed by the Parcells-led 'Phins the first time he was cut loose.

Testaverde's corpse last rolled up to Belichick in New England.

Pioli and McDaniels get their own jobs. Where is the first place that they go looking for a QB, when McDaniels has a franchise QB and Pioli has a top 3 pick with two great prospects available?

To New England, for their backup.

It's ****ing ridiculous.

htismaqe · 04-02-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Look back at how incestuous the Parcells-tree guys are with quarterbacks, or just players in general. It tells you all you need to know.

Parcells picks up Testaverde in NYJ, then he follows him to Dallas. Bledsoe also follows him to Dallas. Hell, Ray ****ing Lucas went from the Pats to the Jets following Parcells. Pennington went from the Jets (where he was drafted by Parcells) to being signed by the Parcells-led 'Phins the first time he was cut loose.

Testaverde's corpse last rolled up to Belichick in New England.

Pioli and McDaniels get their own jobs. Where is the first place that they go looking for a QB, when McDaniels has a franchise QB and Pioli has a top 3 pick with two great prospects available?

To New England, for their backup.

It's ****ing ridiculous.

It sure seems ridiculous. But it's not iron-clad - BB traded Drew Bledsoe, who was Parcells only #1 overall pick. So they're not married to it by any means.

And there is that little thing about the fact that they have enough Super Bowl rings to wear them on BOTH hands...

keg in kc · 04-02-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Name me a recent trade where a 25 year old QB with limitless upside, coming off of a Pro Bowl season was traded.

I'm leaving my opinion on Cutler (which isn't all that high, I'd admit) at the door for the moment, and looking at this as subjectively as possible.

We do have a recent trade where a 26-year old all pro defensive end was traded in similar head-scratching fashion, and he only got a 1st, two thirds and a swap of 6ths.

Which is a great deal less value than two 1sts and a 3rd.

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Uh, any time a top 5 pick has been traded.

Again, I said recently. Looking at this trade in comparison with recent trades, both for QBs and for players in general. Who has gotten more?

If the Broncos had traded Cutler away for a 2nd and a can of smoked salmon, I might agree they got bent over.

Hey, like I said, maybe I'm the one with the bias, because I don't think Cutler is a franchise quarterback, and I don't think he's going to do anything for the Bears. I think this move is bad, bad, bad for us in the long term, and I wish to christ Cutler was going to be a Donkey for the forseeable future. I hope we're not looking back 5 years from now and seeing this as the first step in the building of a dynasty.

milkman · 04-02-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Well, it is likely that we would have only had a chance at one of them anyway. If Stafford goes #1 and is great, then it doesn't matter.

I get that.

However, for me, I believe that Sanchez just has "it", and in time will be one of the top three QBs in the league, and since he is likely the QB we will have had the chance to draft, then Pioli will have failed.

wild1 · 04-02-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Denver Dave

At this point, the only thing I want is McDaniels to fall flat on his face with a 1-15 showing so we can boot his ass out of here after one year.

i guess if you look at it that way, it's not such a bad deal.

i thought he was worth a mid/high first and not more. if the value is that, then... it doesn't seem so lopsided in the Broncos' favor

Frazod · 04-02-2009, 06:39 PM

I can't get over how funny it would be if I ended up buying a Cutler Bears jersey.

keg in kc · 04-02-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

I can't get over how funny it would be if I ended up buying a Cutler Bears jersey.

I want a pic of that.

Frazod · 04-02-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I want a pic of that.

I'd post it, if for no other reason than to ruin Mecca's "I hate all things Denver" argument. Ex-Broncos who **** Denver over tend to become frazod favorites.

Nightfyre · 04-02-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by keginkc

Who has gotten more?

When NE traded their Number 7 for NO's no. 10 and no. 78 in 2008. That is roughly the same level of compensation.

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