***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[loochy]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://twitter.com/neoavatara/statu...079478784?s=21

MAsk study

N95s work well it seems

of course n95s work well


good luck getting jimbob and jackielou to wear properly fitted n95s...hell even people that try to wear masks cant even do that properly (doing the thing where they leave their nose out, etc).

[tk13]

I don't think it really matters. If things keep heading on the track they're on, it's going to hammer the economy no matter what restrictions are in place. A lot of businesses are barely getting by now and we're not even in the really bad part yet.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by loochy

of course n95s work well


good luck getting jimbob and jackielou to wear properly fitted n95s...hell even people that try to wear masks cant even do that properly (doing the thing where they leave their nose out, etc).

The problem with masks has been the messaging from the very start. We went from you don't need a mask to how dare you not wear a mask!

Plus the message on them is so over-simplified. "Just wear your mask" is what we hear. Then the CDC has to show that a great deal of cases are people who wear mask. So then we get "that doesn't mean they wear them properly".

We had a Mother make her Son wear his mask for Soccer practice tonight for the entire practice. He was around 20 other kids that weren't wearing masks while on the field. She said she wanted to be "extra safe". I'm looking at her like she is crazy. She coaches volley ball and I asked her kids had to wear a mask and she said no.

Nothing wrong with her making her son wear the mask but I sense the "I have my mask on so I am safe" vibe there a bit too much.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by tk13

I don't think it really matters. If things keep heading on the track they're on, it's going to hammer the economy no matter what restrictions are in place. A lot of businesses are barely getting by now and we're not even in the really bad part yet.

Unfortunately that's where the politics get into it. Not having assistance programs in place or playing games with getting them passed at this point is ridiculous. One side wants to use the bill for a wish list and the other wants to limit the funds even if spent only on covid.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

Why?

You guys are worried about people’s livelihoods but not others lives?

It sucks all around. If businesses are forced to close they should be compensated. I don’t think they should be forced to close but there is obviously a reason.

The people asking them or forcing them have made wrong decisions and acted in bad faith all along the way. They’ve shot their credibility and now when shit is really hitting the fan, people are done with it.

But there’s no double talk by having any empathy for people who have lost loved ones or are sick and not doing well themselves while also realizing that financially bankrupting people is wrong as well

I don't fault anybody for the early lockdowns because we knew nada about this virus and we all saw what was happening in Wuhan and Italy, then it came to NYC and we saw the same things. No one wanted their city to be like that.

Businesses definitely should have been compensated and that should still be the case.

Also everyone knew this was coming and I would say I am surprised but I am not that we still seem so ill prepared for this.

One of the new covid task forces members was on TV tonight and she said her hospital in NYC is having PPE issues again and they are hearing about this all across the country. We don't even have very good therapeutics and the ones we have there isn't enough of or don't work for those in hospitals.

It is cluster **** of epic proportion.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I don't fault anybody for the early lockdowns because we knew nada about this virus and we all saw what was happening in Wuhan and Italy, then it came to NYC and we saw the same things. No one wanted their city to be like that.

Businesses definitely should have been compensated and that should still be the case.

Also everyone knew this was coming and I would say I am surprised but I am not that we still seem so ill prepared for this.

One of the new covid task forces members was on TV tonight and she said her hospital in NYC is having PPE issues again and they are hearing about this all across the country. We don't even have very good therapeutics and the ones we have there isn't enough of or don't work for those in hospitals.

It is cluster **** of epic proportion.

Yeah I am going to disagree with the latter part of your post there. People are dying and no one wants that to happen at all. But the fact is right now we are trading deaths for hospitalization. Cases have more than doubled from the peak of wave 2 and have been there for a while. Deaths, while rising some have yet to hit the peak of wave 2. So we are treating this better but we are having to treat more of it. I hear from our system leaders that remdesivir is working and helping. We don't have people going on the ventilators like we did initially.

That doesn't mean shit isn't bad and people aren't dying. It very could be though we are seeing a mutation of the virus where it is becoming more contagious but less virulent.

If deaths stay at or below where they are with the way cases are rising it would say a lot about how far we have come in treating it. Frankly I am surprised they haven't risen more given they way cases have shot up.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Politics are already being played with the vaccine and we don't even have it yet.

How so? It seems like the vaccine is the one thing that has escaped being influenced by politics.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by sedated

How so? It seems like the vaccine is the one thing that has escaped being influenced by politics.

I am going to tip-toe here. So the other day aside from Cuomo crying about the Vaccine coming out under Trump, he said something about he wouldn't allow it in New York until he verified and cleared it, bla, bla, bla. So Trump in a speech the other day said everyone would get it but New York because Cuomo said he would block it. Then Cuomo said he would sue Trump if he didn't sent the vaccine to NY.

It's just political crap. You would think this would not be political but yea, don't ever sell our politicians short.

[petegz28]

Human nature being what it is, cases look like they may have rolled over in the KC area. Which is why we are now seeing action from our leaders. It's typical. By the time you act it's pretty much too late.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Also everyone knew this was coming and I would say I am surprised but I am not that we still seem so ill prepared for this.

One of the new covid task forces members was on TV tonight and she said her hospital in NYC is having PPE issues again and they are hearing about this all across the country. We don't even have very good therapeutics and the ones we have there isn't enough of or don't work for those in hospitals.

It is cluster **** of epic proportion.

there is no excuse to have shortages of PPE nine months into this pandemic. None.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah I am going to disagree with the latter part of your post there. People are dying and no one wants that to happen at all. But the fact is right now we are trading deaths for hospitalization. Cases have more than doubled from the peak of wave 2 and have been there for a while. Deaths, while rising some have yet to hit the peak of wave 2. So we are treating this better but we are having to treat more of it. I hear from our system leaders that remdesivir is working and helping. We don't have people going on the ventilators like we did initially.

That doesn't mean shit isn't bad and people aren't dying. It very could be though we are seeing a mutation of the virus where it is becoming more contagious but less virulent.

If deaths stay at or below where they are with the way cases are rising it would say a lot about how far we have come in treating it. Frankly I am surprised they haven't risen more given they way cases have shot up.

Yes we are treating it better but that has been the case since early summer and the treatment protocols haven't really changed. We are still averaging 1000 deaths a day.

Remdesivir is just ok and the new monoclonal antibodies don't work on severe cases and have to be given right after a positive test. There just isn't enough of those right now.

I am thinking we are going to see El Paso's every where if more restrictions aren't put in place. We have to try to save as many lives as possible and also not to do full lockdowns. But we can do more targeted restrictions like ban indoor dining and mask mandates.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

there is no excuse to have shortages of PPE nine months into this pandemic. None.

Yup but here we are and now states are again fighting among themselves for PPE. Shameful.

[Demonpenz]

Are the casinos closed again?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

there is no excuse to have shortages of PPE nine months into this pandemic. None.

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yup but here we are and now states are again fighting among themselves for PPE. Shameful.

It’s already that bad? I thought we had all the PPE we needed months ago.

For ****sakes why hasn’t the defense production act been put in place to avoid making this PPE shitshow worse?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

It’s already that bad? For ****sakes why hasn’t the defense production act been put in place to avoid making this shitshow worse?

From what I can tell, it was activated on May 14, 2020 and is still in effect.