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Old 04-02-2009, 03:19 PM  
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:47 PM   #466
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When NE traded their Number 7 for NO's no. 10 and no. 78 in 2008. That is roughly the same level of compensation.
Not a player trade.

Just in case there's any confusion here, nothing would make me happier than the getting bent over. I just don't see this trade as that.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:47 PM   #467
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Not a player trade.
I beg to differ. Any draft-day trade is inherently a player trade.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:48 PM   #468
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Cassel doesn't have to fail for this to be a blunder.

If Stafford or Sanchez, or both, develop into top 5-6 QBs in the NFL, and Cassel is just an average QB, then it's blunder in my book.

I personally think that there's a good chance that is exactly what will happen.
one thing if det or stl take one first it doesnt matter what that player ends up as we couldnt have gotten him anyway
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:51 PM   #469
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I beg to differ. Any draft-day trade is inherently a player trade.
So what value do you assign to Cutler? He was drafted, where, 11? So you say this is a bad trade because you consider him worth more than the, what do you say it's the equivalent of, the 7th pick in the draft?

I guess you just rate Cutler as more valuable than I do. I think Denver was lucky to get what they did in the trade climate recently. Two firsts for any player is a huge deal.

In my opinion, of course.

In the end this perception the day of won't matter anyway. If Cutler really is a franchise QB and the last piece the Bears need, it'll have been worth it for them. If the Broncos use the picks as a strong foundation that propels them back to the top of the conference, it'll have been worth it for them. Who knows what's going to happen; I think history will ultimately determine the winner. But today, I think they both won, and my personal opinion is that we'll be wishing Cutler was still a Bronco two or three years from now.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:52 PM   #470
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AP: Cutler Fails Physical, Trade Falls Through



Florham Park, N.J.- Disgruntled Denver Broncos quaterback Jay Cutler failed a physical this morning, sinking a possible trade to the New York Jets in what was being called a "blockbuster" deal involving four players and a day-one draft pick.


The physical revealed trauma and several severe strains to the 4th year player's labia majora . While no sugery is necessary, the injury will keep the unhappy signal caller out of most of the team's OTAs and mini-camps. Newly minted head coach Josh McDaniels gave no comment and seemed to be rather aggravated to learn his franchise QB has been playing with the condition for two full seasons now.



If you are still reading this and haven't figured it out that I'm just kidding because I love/hate the kid and enjoy seeing him sleep in the proverbial bed he made, sorry (and if you didn't figure it out by the time "labia majora" made an appearance, I'm even sorrier). I honestly believe as far as talent goes, there aren't many QBs ahead of him (I don't care who you root for, you have to love the cannon he's packing). The fact that he is the leader of a team I hate is the only reason I joke and I joke, and I kid and I kid.


I had the pleasure of having season tickets in San Diego (on the 38 yard line 14 rows behind the Chargers bench) and watched Philip Rivers and Jay Cutler go back and forth the entire game (in '07). When I watched the replay I was amazed that the only chatter shown on the telecast was from Phil. Oh well.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:53 PM   #471
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So what value do you assign to Cutler? He was drafted, where, 11? So you say this is a bad trade because you consider him worth more than the, what do you say it's the equivalent of, the 7th pick in the draft?

I guess you just rate Cutler as more valuable than I do. I think Denver was lucky to get what they did in the trade climate recently. Two firsts for any player is a huge deal. In my opinion.
A) A 2010 first is not worth a 2009 first.
B) The 18th Pick is not very good value
C) It is conceivable that the 2010 pick will be in the mid-20s now that the Bears have a franchise QB.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:57 PM   #472
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A) A 2010 first is not worth a 2009 first.
I know how the chart works, but I don't think I buy that part of it any longer. I used to, and I think it holds true for lower rounds, maybe, but I've come to believe a first is a first, regardless.

That's just me, though.
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:03 PM   #473
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It's amazing to me the people on here ripping Cassel and he hasn't even played a snap for the Chiefs...and in the meantime...super pimping Sanchez. Cassel has proved himself in the NFL and Sanchez has little experience as far as COLLEGE is concerned...yet many here still prefer the latter. Makes you wonder how stupid some are...
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:04 PM   #474
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A) A 2010 first is not worth a 2009 first.
A 2010 first is the functional equivalent of a 2009 2nd.
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:05 PM   #475
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It's amazing to me the people on here ripping Cassel and he hasn't even played a snap for the Chiefs...and in the meantime...super pimping Sanchez. Cassel has proved himself in the NFL and Sanchez has little experience as far as COLLEGE is concerned...yet many here still prefer the latter. Makes you wonder how stupid some are...
FTR: Sanchez has more college experience than Cassel. As for Cassel, he isn't proven in my opinion.
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A 2010 first is the functional equivalent of a 2009 2nd.
Thats how I treated it in my analysis.
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So I turn on ESPNnews and the first thing I see is Mark Schelerth talking about how the Bears Oline sucks so Cutler will suck..

This guy literally thinks that offensive lineman mean more than franchise QB's do I watched him argue that the Lions should take Jason Smith the other day...
Don't worry, Chicago just signed Orlando Pace to protect ****ler's blind side.....(rotoworld)


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It's amazing to me the people on here ripping Cassel and he hasn't even played a snap for the Chiefs...and in the meantime...super pimping Sanchez. Cassel has proved himself in the NFL and Sanchez has little experience as far as COLLEGE is concerned...yet many here still prefer the latter. Makes you wonder how stupid some are...
Cassel's a USC guy, too. I thought their QBs were the best ever?
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Thats how I treated it in my analysis.
Indeed you did.

Parker's playing catch-up.
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Bears send 18th overall and 1st NEXT year and a 3rd in 2009 AND Orton.

WOW.
2009 1st and 3rd and 2010 1st and Orton?

WHAT?
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