Chiefs What's with the Thigpen fixation? - Page 34

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 04:53 PM

Now I fully admit it isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be on this forum but I've yet to figure out this fixation with him. It's really bad at some other unnamed forums..

I honestly have no way of comprehending what it's about. It's like everything people said about Croyle has now been lumped onto Thigpen. "Well um he's the guy we don't need another QB"

The worst part is the people who don't want a QB this year then say well if Thigpen doesn't work out we can just take Bradford or McCoy, it's like peoples brains fell out.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

There are even more examples of him not playing well and the Steelers still winning because of their defense.

Well, they went 12-4 during the regular season, he threw for more than 3,300 yards and was sacked 46 times.

Their offensive line is worse than the Chiefs. By far.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

So, do you also believe Roethlisberger superior to Brees because of that?

In 4 years, I've only seen him fail once in a big game, and that was in the 2007 playoffs against Jacksonville.

And all he did in that game is rally the team from an 18 point deficit with 20 minutes left to play.

Otherwise, all the kid does is win when it matters most.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, I do.

Is Joe Montana "superior" to Dan Fouts or Dan Marino?

I think so.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Was that directed at you?

Then why are you answering for him?

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**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

In 4 years, I've only seen him fail once in a big game, and that was in the 2007 playoffs against Jacksonville.

And all he did in that game is rally the team from an 18 point deficit with 20 minutes left to play.

Otherwise, all the kid does is win when it matters most.

So, yes?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't know where he got them, either.

The Steelers had the 22nd ranked offense in 2008.

29th in yards per carry.

Sam Hall · 02-10-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, they went 12-4 during the regular season, he threw for more than 3,300 yards and was sacked 46 times.

Their offensive line is worse than the Chiefs. By far.

Their defense is the straw that stirs the drink. I don't see how that can be denied when the rest of the world sees it. They win a lot of low-scoring games. I agree about drafting Sanchez, but you're stretching the argument too far.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

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I guess you're in love with the prettiest girl at the dance.

Good for you.

**Smed1065** · 02-10-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't know where he got them, either.

The Steelers had the 22nd ranked offense in 2008.

I accidentally cut off 2008 but the rest are true, my bad.
23 Pittsburgh Steelers 2008

From NFL.com

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

So, yes?

Uh, yeah. Thought it was pretty obvious before I even posted.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Their defense is the straw that stirs the drink. I don't see how that can be denied when the rest of the world sees it. They win a lot of low-scoring games. I agree about drafting Sanchez, but you're stretching the argument too far.

What argument?

1.. The Chiefs need a franchise QB

2. Ben Rothlisberger isn't worthy of his Super Bowl rings and anyone could have won with their defense?

Pittsburgh's defense has been in the Top Ten for more than a decade. They didn't win jackshit until they drafted Ben.

This should not even be a discussion point.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Uh, yeah. Thought it was pretty obvious before I even posted.

No, I'm actually very surprised about that. You usually seem to base things more on individual play when evaluating players, and typically I agree with your assessments more than anyone else on here.

**Smed1065** · 02-10-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Smed1065

Their running game isn't much to speak.

3 Pittsburgh Steelers
10 Pittsburgh Steelers
5 Pittsburgh Steelers
2 Pittsburgh Steelers

Wish we had no rush to speak of.!

23 Pittsburgh Steelers
3 Pittsburgh Steelers
10 Pittsburgh Steelers
5 Pittsburgh Steelers
2 Pittsburgh Steelers

Last 6 years.

So top 10 rushing teams in 4 of 5 last years and both were on Ben?

My bad on 2008.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Smed1065

I accidentally cut off 2008 but the rest are true, my bad.
23 Pittsburgh Steelers 2008

From NFL.com

23 was the 49ers.

22 was the Steelers.

From NFL.com.

**dirk digler** · 02-10-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

In 4 years, I've only seen him fail once in a big game, and that was in the 2007 playoffs against Jacksonville.

And all he did in that game is rally the team from an 18 point deficit with 20 minutes left to play.

Otherwise, all the kid does is win when it matters most.

So who would you pick between Brady or Ben?

chiefzilla1501 · 02-10-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No, it didn't. It showed effectiveness for half of each game.

You can't compare Thigpen to guys that play in a real offense, they are being asked to do way more than Thigpen is.

Considering he was running the spread, his numbers aren't really that great.

Like I said before:

Tyler Thigpen wouldn't start on any of the other 31 teams in the league.

Why?

None of them would be willing to scrap their current offensive philosophy to install the Pistol so he can be somewhat effective.

But let me say a few things. First, there seems to be an obsession with the idea that the spread is a dead option. And yet, the Steelers and the Patriots have taken teams to the Super Bowl the last two seasons using a spread offensive look. If it's such a gimmick, then why are the best two teams in the NFL using it so much? But secondly, I think there's this impression that Thigpen was running such an easy offense--no offense on the NFL is easy to run, and it's not as if the entire offense was a quick hitch route offense every single play. I don't see why we are discounting the fact that maybe if you can run the spread offense as a base, that it's destined for failure. Actually, it's one of the hottest offenses in the NFL right now (at least, variations of the offense are).

Because on the same token, do you think Joe Flacco could have replicated Thigpen's success when you take away a top 5 running game and a top 5 defense? I don't think you would. And while Brady ran under center his rookie season, let's not forget that his offense revolved around very quick patterns and quick strikes, and that the Pats were the team that really brought the idea of spreading defenses out with 4-5 receivers onto the map.

I agree that Thigpen needs to learn to run under center one way or another. But I'm not at all convinced that as long as they keep adding wrinkles to the spread, that it couldn't be an effective base offense. Even if you bring in a guy like Sanchez, who would probably be outstanding in the offense given his ability to move around in the pocket.

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	What's with the Thigpen fixation? Now I fully admit it isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be on this forum but I've yet to figure out this fixation with him. It's really bad at some other unnamed forums.. I honestly have no way of comprehending what it's about. It's like everything people said about Croyle has now been lumped onto Thigpen. "Well um he's the guy we don't need another QB" The worst part is the people who don't want a QB this year then say well if Thigpen doesn't work out we can just take Bradford or McCoy, it's like peoples brains fell out.
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