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Old 12-24-2023, 03:27 PM  
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Off-season WR possibilities
Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.
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Old 01-02-2024, 03:54 PM   #496
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Whoa, pump the brakes a tad. Sammy was a legit 1, probably at a minimum a top-15 to -20 NFL WR for a short period of time when he was healthy in BUF, that could consistently play zone and beat man coverage.

Rice is progressing very well, but he ain't that, not yet. He has to continue to develop his releases and his breaks at the top of his routes, and probably a couple other things, before he's in (what was) Sammy's league.


And Sammy was more twitchy with the ball in his hands, imo, but that's another matter.
Go look at the career stats for Sammy Watkins.The best year of his career he had 60 receptions for 1,047 yards and 9 TDs. Sammy NEVER had over 55 receptions, 675 yards or 3 TDs in a Chiefs uniform.

Rashee Rice in his rookie year just put up 79 receptions for 938 yards and 7 TDs.

Sammy Watkins hype was a product of his top 5 draft position. Rashee Rice is already a better NFL player. Id expect him to take a leap next year as well.
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Old 01-02-2024, 04:00 PM   #497
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Hollywood had 21 TD's in 3 years with Lamar starting out. 7 in 2 years with Kyler missing about 60% of the games. He's a really good scheme fit opposite Rice.

There just isn't a true WR1 available unless a guy late in the 1st could eventually develop into that. Rudely, Brown, Higgins. All these guys are WR2's which is fine.

There's only like 10-15 true alpha WR1's in the league
My point exactly.

I think Brown is a GREAT complementary fit for KC. His skillset is perfect for the Z role KC has traditionally emphasized. He would be a perfect complement to Rice, especially if paired with a draft pick like Adonai Mitchell.
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Old 01-02-2024, 04:11 PM   #498
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Paying Hollywood 15 million dollars to be a complimentary guy seems like a real waste of resources though. If I'm gonna pay, PAY, and be done with it with a guy that's gonna be that valuable.
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Old 01-02-2024, 04:13 PM   #499
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It is?

We won a SB without that *need* in the arsenal.

Honestly, without some key drops and James' missed time, we'd be fighting for HFA right now.

They aren't *that* far off. Find a true WR1 to pair with Rice, draft another guy to develop and bring back James and/or Toney and they'll be fine.

But if they go back and make the MVS mistake again?
Last year they had Kelce and they just fed him the ball and it was fine. Which is why I'm pro, go overspend and get a guy that you can do that with, let him and Rice and the other guys play off it and be done with it.

The Cowboys have parts around him, yet Ceedee gets 20 god damn targets a game. Same with Tyreek.

Get one of those guys, throw him the ball alot.
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"Spread the ball around".


Nah, we're done with that. Get 2/3 guys that are good, throw them the ball over and over and over.
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It is?

We won a SB without that *need* in the arsenal.

Honestly, without some key drops and James' missed time, we'd be fighting for HFA right now.

They aren't *that* far off. Find a true WR1 to pair with Rice, draft another guy to develop and bring back James and/or Toney and they'll be fine.

But if they go back and make the MVS mistake again?
I think we are starting to hit the point that maybe we should accept what a great year last year was but it was also not something that can be repeated.
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"Spread the ball around".


Nah, we're done with that. Get 2/3 guys that are good, throw them the ball over and over and over.
Maybe it is selective memory but I swear 95% of Peyton Mannings yards with the Colts went to Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark. Go get that for Pat moving forward.
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I think we are starting to hit the point that maybe we should accept what a great year last year was but it was also not something that can be repeated.
Why not? Their top 3 receivers last year were Juju, Kelce and McKinnon. Well Juju is gone, McKinnon is old and washed and Kelce has been dealing with nagging injuries/age this year.

The starting guys this year were complimentary players last year.
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Paying Hollywood 15 million dollars to be a complimentary guy seems like a real waste of resources though. If I'm gonna pay, PAY, and be done with it with a guy that's gonna be that valuable.
That's a tier 3 WR salary, though. Established #2s are going to cost more.

The reality is receivers cost money.

If they had the opportunity to pay a guy who deserves $25M/year, sure, pay that guy. But it's super unlikely they can get that guy. They're rare and hard to get your hands on.

Brown is a scheme fit with the physical talent to outplay that contract and who is a good bet to at least play TO that contact.

Giving the Chiefs a really credible Z receiver to work off of Rice and Kelce, while taking some shots in the draft to allow you to replace guys from within, seems like a good plan to me.
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Why not? Their top 3 receivers last year were Juju, Kelce and McKinnon. Well Juju is gone, McKinnon is old and washed and Kelce has been dealing with nagging injuries/age this year.

The starting guys this year were complimentary players last year.
It required everything to go exactly right and Mahomes having one of the greatest years of all time, just expecting that to always happen isn't exactly a great idea.
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It required everything to go exactly right and Mahomes having one of the greatest years of all time, just expecting that to always happen isn't exactly a great idea.
Paying him what they are, that's just kinda the reality though.
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That's a tier 3 WR salary, though. Established #2s are going to cost more.

The reality is receivers cost money.

If they had the opportunity to pay a guy who deserves $25M/year, sure, pay that guy. But it's super unlikely they can get that guy. They're rare and hard to get your hands on.

Brown is a scheme fit with the physical talent to outplay that contract and who is a good bet to at least play TO that contact.

Giving the Chiefs a really credible Z receiver to work off of Rice and Kelce, while taking some shots in the draft to allow you to replace guys from within, seems like a good plan to me.
Not you in particular, but it's funny how Chiefs fans were ok trading one away and not paying him that but now alot want them to go get whoever.

I'd trade and pay a guy. There's gonna be one available, no one thought Tyreek would be there and yet...
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Paying him what they are, that's just kinda the reality though.
Nah that WR room is an abomination, it should never ever be THAT bad. There is nothing wrong with building a solid defense but it shouldn't have been done at the expense of Pats weapons.

I think the learning point here is, yes defense is important....but they have to much invested in LB and also there's a lot invested in the interior OL. That's probably the course corrections going forward.
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