NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 35

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Where's your confidence now Big Dog? Come on now!!!

I have no problem giving you even odds. You were the one who said you were confident that they would do what you claimed.

If you were so confident, you'd take even odds.

If you won't, you aren't very confident.

It's not hard to understand.

Pioli Zombie · 02-22-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think it's funny to see anyone who supposedly followed New England rip the player that turned their franchise around.

All the down talk of Bledsoe is nothing more than the remembering of recent history and not an entire history.

When did you become the expert regarding New England Patriot history? I'm not even sure you know anything about the chiefs let alone the patriots.

Bill Parcells turned the Patriot franchise around and Bob Kraft saved the franchise from moving to St Louis, solidified its long term place in the area and built a football empire
Bledsoe helped bring hope with his potential he had a couple of very good seasons and then stopped improving. He won 3 playoff games. 2 of them because of the defense. He was good. Sometimes very good. He is not the example to use as a model of what you want for the chiefs looking for a franchise qb. Sorry.
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Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I have no problem giving you even odds. You were the one who said you were confident that they would do what you claimed.

If you were so confident, you'd take even odds.

If you won't, you aren't very confident.

It's not hard to understand.

I'm putting 'ALL' my apples in one basket and you should put 'ALL' your apples in as well my friend "SINCE" you challenged me first. Put "ALL" your 'casino $$' where your supposed confident mouth is, huh?

I definitely am!!!

chiefzilla1501 · 02-22-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think the combine is very heavily overblown for the most part, the intelligence tests are important and some drills are but for the most part 1 bad day or 1 good day can overinflate or drop a guy to such a huge degree.

Anquan Boldin had the worst day of his life and well look how that turned out.

And as you probably saw from scanning the thread, I defended Mark Sanchez for that reason. But the workout and the idea that he is maybe coming out a year too early are legitimate concerns that will certainly be heavily evaluated come draft day. I don't know why it's considered idiotic to bring them up.

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I have no problem giving you even odds. You were the one who said you were confident that they would do what you claimed.

If you were so confident, you'd take even odds.

If you won't, you aren't very confident.

It's not hard to understand.

Come on ! Gentleman's Chief brotherhood bet

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

I'm putting 'ALL' my apples in one basket and you should put 'ALL' your apples in as well my friend "SINCE" you challenged me first. Put "ALL" your 'casino $$' where your supposed confident mouth is, huh?

I definitely am!!!

Find three other morons to put up 2500 and I'll take that bet. But like I said, I'm not the one who professed confidence and then was too much of a coward to back up an even-money bet.

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And as you probably saw from scanning the thread, I defended Mark Sanchez for that reason. But the workout and the idea that he is maybe coming out a year too early are legitimate concerns that will certainly be heavily evaluated come draft day. I don't know why it's considered idiotic to bring them up.

Precisely!!

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Find three other morons to put up 2500 and I'll take that bet. But like I said, I'm not the one who professed confidence and then was too much of a coward to back up an even-money bet.

Oh but your so dammmmmmmmmmmmmn confident to challenge me 'FIRST' to bet all mine, huh?

Pussy!!! Who's the coward here???

Mecca · 02-22-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And as you probably saw from scanning the thread, I defended Mark Sanchez for that reason. But the workout and the idea that he is maybe coming out a year too early are legitimate concerns that will certainly be heavily evaluated come draft day. I don't know why it's considered idiotic to bring them up.

It's fine provided the right things are brought up, some of the arm strength complaints I saw in my view were more timing issues.

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Find three other morons to put up 2500 and I'll take that bet. But like I said, I'm not the one who professed confidence and then was too much of a coward to back up an even-money bet.

Yes I do profess that confidence! And General Patton is calling your bluff !!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Yes I do profess that confidence! And General Patton is calling your bluff !!

I love tard logic.

Make an outlandish statement. Get called on it, then attempt to play "I'm rubber, you're glue."

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Find three other morons to put up 2500 and I'll take that bet. But like I said, I'm not the one who professed confidence and then was too much of a coward to back up an even-money bet.

Come on Hamas !!! Grow some 'brass balls' and swing them for a change!! You challenged first!! Finish what you started or look like a "bluffing pussy"!!!

**Reaper16** · 02-22-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Yes I do profess that confidence! And General Patton is calling your bluff !!

It may be devastating to hear this, but General Patton died in 1945. You are either a zombie, or you aren't him.

ChiefRon · 02-22-2009, 11:38 PM

What the hell is going on here? Who says neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in the top 10? Morons...

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I love tard logic.

Make an outlandish statement. Get called on it, then attempt to play "I'm rubber, you're glue."

Outlandish????? Hell I don't think it is 'outlandish'!! I am putting all my $$ where my mouth is and you are running like most typical liberals tards do. Pop off at the mouth then don't back it up!!

Come on tough guy you came at me first and General Patton loves the sting of battle!!!

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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