***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'll never understand why 99% survival rate is an argument for anything. If 1% of the country died, that would be around 3.5 million people. Or to frame it a little differently, if 1% of people in Arrowhead stadium died, that would be around 760 people. One percent is NOT A SMALL NUMBER.

I just don't understand how anyone can look at the ~700k deaths from this thing and think, "This is fine. Let's keep this up."

6 million people died in the holocaust and people still talk about it 75 years later.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Anecdotal but here in NorCal we need to show proof of vax blah blah blah.

I was first to show up at a restaurant and they asked for proof of vax. I showed a picture of my vax card to them and they waved me inside. Whats funny is they didn't "look" at my photo nor ask me for ID. They simply waved me in when I showed them a picture lol. A few minutes later my buddy arrived and I saw him outside of the restaurant. He texted me that he didn't have his vax card and could not come inside. I quickly sent him a picture of my vax card and he walked right in lol. This is all bullshit folks.....get a grip

It really is a joke. Especially since they clearly aren't following the science and giving the people who recovered from prior infections a pass as well.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

It really is a joke. Especially since they clearly aren't following the science and giving the people who recovered from prior infections a pass as well.

I agree if you have a documented prior infection you should get a card or something, also If everyone in the building is vaccinated I don’t understand why we all have to wear a mask , although they are not really strict about enforcing it like they did previously. We started this week with proof of vaccination and they have been pretty thorough looking at cards/asking for ID . I uploaded my vaccination proof to my apple wallet , once they start having scanners it will make things easier.

[Sure-Oz]

Is taking a picture of your vaccination card good enough if you don't have it on you?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Is taking a picture of your vaccination card good enough if you don't have it on you?

I have a pic saved in my phone. The actual card itself is too large for my wallet, unless I want to bend it all up. Never been anywhere that asked me to show proof of vaccination though.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Is taking a picture of your vaccination card good enough if you don't have it on you?

There was a place in Chicago that wanted proof, but said the card was fine or picture of the card... and they were checking IDs with it.

I'm sure it'll be all over the place... the owner of an establishment wanting to require proof, but then random guy making $10/hr who doesn't give a shit at the front door, that sort of thing.

It's like checking IDs or locking your car door... a little resistance won't matter to those who really don't give a shit about rules, but enough to deter most people and make a big difference.

[Monticore]

Wonder if this would work for other vaccine receipt s if you just skip to the upload part . Having it The wallet with QR scan seems easier . Maybe not lol o clue how his stuff works.

Surprised you guys don’t have an app yet.

https://grassroots.vaccine-ontario.ca/

[wazu]

I have a friend who goes to concerts and events and stuff around the country and says she is being asked for vaccination card regularly. They are just asking to show the paper card. Seems like a pretty bad model. As mentioned, the card is too big for a conventional wallet, which makes it a lot more likely to be lost. Could be that it's just not practical to have people use an app due to so few places overall requiring it.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Wonder if this would work for other vaccine receipt s if you just skip to the upload part . Having it The wallet with QR scan seems easier . Maybe not lol o clue how his stuff works.

Surprised you guys don’t have an app yet.

https://grassroots.vaccine-ontario.ca/

Would be awesome to have something like that. In Iowa, though, we have nothing.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Would be awesome to have something like that. In Iowa, though, we have nothing.

Colorado has one for what it's worth, but to be fair, they had an app in place before and just added the vaccine functionality to it. Technically, a virtual drivers license in the app is legal in our state, to give you the idea.

[carlos3652]

Are we talking about instituting a vaccine passport? I thought that was conspiracy shit last year? WTF happened. lol

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Are we talking about instituting a vaccine passport? I thought that was conspiracy shit last year? WTF happened. lol

From November 11, 2020:

Originally Posted by DaFace

Wouldn't surprise me if a wide range of events start requiring proof of either antibodies or vaccine. At least until things start to be a bit more controlled.

[TLO]

I know I've mentioned this several times before in this thread, but events keep happening that lead me to say this once again.

Rochelle Walensky needs replaced.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Are we talking about instituting a vaccine passport? I thought that was conspiracy shit last year? WTF happened. lol

I would rather have a digital "card" than the oversized physical one that I currently have. I really don't give a **** what people call it or what irrational fears you have about it.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by TLO

I know I've mentioned this several times before in this thread, but events keep happening that lead me to say this once again.

Rochelle Walensky needs replaced.

Definitely. She clearly is far too emotion driven to be in a job that needs to be driven by logic.