***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[tyecopeland]

Originally Posted by InvinciBill

FWIW my 6 and 8 year olds have had no side effects from the pediatric Pfizer 1st dose.

Have you put them near BEP to see if she has a reaction to their spike protein shedding?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

How long after getting a Moderna or Pfizer booster do you realize the benefits of it? I can't seem to find that answer anywhere.

The first vaccination was something like 21 days to full magic power, wasn't it? I assume it would be like that where you inch up every day.

I finally got a booster appointment. The governor signed something that basically authorized everyone to get it, whereas I was initially outside the scope. But for some reason it's two weeks away. I would've thought I could get in immediately.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The first vaccination was something like 21 days to full magic power, wasn't it? I assume it would be like that where you inch up every day.

I finally got a booster appointment. The governor signed something that basically authorized everyone to get it, whereas I was initially outside the scope. But for some reason it's two weeks away. I would've thought I could get in immediately.

2 weeks after your second dose you were considered fully vaccinated with Pfizer and Moderna.

I think it was also 2 weeks after the single J&J shot

[TLO]

From the NY Times

F.D.A. Plans to Authorize Pfizer Boosters for All Adults This Week

Regulators are set to clear extra doses of Pfizer-BioNTech’s vaccine as soon as Thursday, after states began expanding eligibility on their own.

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I finally got a booster appointment. The governor signed something that basically authorized everyone to get it, whereas I was initially outside the scope. But for some reason it's two weeks away. I would've thought I could get in immediately.

Here in Iowa we're eligible if we work in a situation where we can't always social distance. Also, since it's rural Iowa, so few people actually get vaccinated that we can just walk-in and get a booster at the local pharmacy if we want.

[TLO]

“If the vaccines work so well, why do we need a third dose?”

Oh, I don’t know… Maybe because a lot of vaccines work that way? pic.twitter.com/FDMKaykSTh

— Chise ���������� MFF (@sailorrooscout) November 17, 2021

[TLO]

Estimates were obtained using the Kaplan-Meier estimator starting from day 7 after receipt of the third dose, in those who received it.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

I have a couple questions for those that have taken the shot.

* would you continue to take boosters if they are recommended every 6 months
* would you continue to take boosters after getting Covid?
* at what point would you stop taking boosters?

Just honest questions trying to figure out what the limit is and how long you would endure this for?

So I just got my booster at CVS pharmacy. They let me sign up without asking for eligibility before they knew which zip code I was going to search on. They only knew my date of birth and I'm in my 50's. (And I was in California but I signed up for a CVS in Kansas because I was traveling soon.)

I was going to get a flu shot anyway so there was no extra hassle in getting the covid shot. When I got my second shot, my only reaction was slight arm soreness, so I saw no down side to getting a booster. And as I expected, this time around, my only reaction was slight arm soreness.

So if it slightly reduces my chance of getting sick. Great. Again, for me, no down side. If I was getting headaches from the shot, maybe I would have to think about that. And I was getting a flu shot anyway.

So I would be fine with taking a booster every year with my flu shot if it added a slight benefit. Getting even a mild case of covid would be a drag. And who knows, maybe even mild cases of covid might have some chance of long term health consequences. I don't see any reason to think taking the booster has long term health consequences.

I guess if I have to think about an extra trip six months from now just for a booster shot, I would have to think about it. But signing up on the web was easy and I was in and out quickly. All fast and easy. So it wouldn't take much benefit to convince me to get boosters every six months.

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Secondarily, would you support:

* a lockdown like Austria where unvaccinated cannot leave their house unless they are doing something essential like getting food.
* a lockdown like France and Italy where you can’t go to the grocery store or any essential unless you have a vaccine passport.
* a lockdown like Israel where they consider 3 doses vaccinated and 2 doses unvaccinated to be able to get around / participate in society.
* a lockdown like Australia where they barely allow the vaccinated to do things and arrest people without masks in public or outside their 5 mile radius.

Would make a poll but id rather just discuss it with people that haven’t gotten banned from this thread lol.

This has been beaten to death. But to have a society, you have to have social norms, rules, regulations, and laws. I don't disagree with those societies right to be heavy handed. As has been pointed out many times: the unvaccinated are disproportionately using up ICU beds and medical resources and their actions affect other people.

Societies require vaccinations to attend schools. They require helmets to ride motorcycles. It sucks when the State has to use a heavy hand but I don't knee jerk disagree with the approach.

[carlos3652]

BTW, my questions have no right or wrong answer, just wanted to know your opinion. It was not meant to shit on the opinion at all. Those countries are currently experiencing that... obviously we are not. Just trying to get a take on IF it comes to that here, would you support. Thats all, no malice, no gotcha moment, no I told you so's... just curious.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

BTW, my questions have no right or wrong answer, just wanted to know your opinion. It was not meant to shit on the opinion at all. Those countries are currently experiencing that... obviously we are not. Just trying to get a take on IF it comes to that here, would you support. Thats all, no malice, no gotcha moment, no I told you so's... just curious.

I don't know that I'd go crazy calling for mandates to be put in place, but I also struggle to understand the angst about it. It's not like they're unprecedented (e.g., vaccines for kids in schools, regional vaccine requirements for travel), and there are plenty of other health restrictions that people don't think twice about (e.g., shirts and shoes in stores, physicals to drive a semi truck, eye exams to be able to drive a car).

It just doesn't seem that unreasonable to me for there to be vaccine requirements in places where someone could spread he disease to others. Yes, I fully understand that some people view vaccines as the most evil thing ever created, but logically I can't wrap my mind around why it's such a huge deal.

[TLO]

Our cases are through the roof again. I seriously thought after Delta ****ed us sideways we might be finished.

Guess not.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by TLO

Our cases are through the roof again. I seriously thought after Delta ****ed us sideways we might be finished.

Guess not.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I assumed we burnt through all the available people out there this summer.

Clearly not.

[TLO]

I'm going to quit assuming that we're ever going to stop having outbreaks. I just don't know if it's even plausible anymore.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by TLO

I'm going to quit assuming that we're ever going to stop having outbreaks. I just don't know if it's even plausible anymore.

I'd kind of like to see a scorecard. Maybe it's out there, but I'm too lazy to look.

We have 330 million Americans. Can we divide them into these groups?

Vaccinated, boosted, and had Covid
Vaccinated boosted, haven't had Covid
Vaccinated, not boosted, and had Covid
Vaccinated, not boosted, haven't had Covid
Unvaccinated and had Covid
Unvaccinated and haven't had Covid