Overall Evaluation of our 2009 Draft picks.

[chiefsfan1963]

Jackson seems to be the real deal. How about the rest of our picks?

I would love to hear what our insightful posters takes are.
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[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac

I just don't get how it went from YOU HAVE TO TAKE BPA to WHY DIDN'T WE ADDRESS THE OFFENSIVE LINE?

It's hilarious.

I don't think we did either one.
I think we reached, didn't solve an immediate need, and overpaid as well...

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I don't think we did either one.
I think we reached, didn't solve an immediate need, and overpaid as well...

and everyone knew coming in the Patriots draft obscure players every year...they don't read scout inc like Herm Edwards did last year to make every expert so super happy!

[Hootie]

and look how that worked out...

we have one guy (Flowers) that looks like a pro bowler...everyone else?

Meh.

Charles 3rd down specialist, Carr decent...Dorsey? Who knows...Cottam (bust)...Morgan (bust)...Franklin (cut)...that draft ended up being what? So far a C with a little upside (Dorsey)?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac

and everyone knew coming in the Patriots draft obscure players every year...they don't read scout inc like Herm Edwards did last year to make every expert so super happy!

I don't think Herm did a bad job at all drafting. In fact, I think it's downplayed because of his complete failure as a coach and game day decision maker.

The guy was here 3 years and look at his first round picks. Good.
His ability to make the most of those picks was a new and yet to be created term more expansive than "failure."

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac

and look how that worked out...

we have one guy (Flowers) that looks like a pro bowler...everyone else?

Meh.

Charles 3rd down specialist, Carr decent...Dorsey? Who knows...Cottam (bust)...Morgan (bust)...Franklin (cut)...that draft ended up being what? So far a C with a little upside (Dorsey)?

Charles could be an everydown back, but the Chiefs for reason only God knows, think that LJ still has something to offer.

And labeling Morgan a bust right now might just be a tad premature.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac

All I've read over the past few years from the Mecca's and the Dane's and the draft gurus was BPA...BPA...BPA...

Well...Alex Magee and Donald Washington, apparently, were who the Chiefs had as BPA...

Don't try and draft for need now that Carl Peterson isn't around drafting for need...can't hit on ever draft pick and apparently Pioli and his scouting staff liked Colin Brown over Meredith...you can't go 100% every year.

There are a couple of things to consider when talking about the best player available, including need.

If you think that a guy can be a starter at his position for the next 10 years, while another player may never be anymore than a second teamer at his position, then the best player available at that pick is the guy that can start for the nest 10 years.

In the fourth round, Donald Washington is a player selected that may never crack the startig lineup, while Johnathan Luigs would be the starter on opening day, and could very well be a guy that mans that position for a decade.

In the fifth round, Jamon Meredith was a better player than Colin Brown at RT.
It wasn't even close.

The Washington pick is debatable, cause Washington has the athletic ability to possibly be a stud at corner.

The Brown pick isn't.
That guy is never going to take a snap at RT.
He looks like he might eventually be a pretty damn solid guard, but that wasn't the position they were addressing with that pick.

Best player available is the one that has the potential to help your team both now, and over the course of his career.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by milkman

There are a couple of things to consider when talking about the best player available, including need.

If you think that a guy can be a starter at his position for the next 10 years, while another player may never be anymore than a second teamer at his position, then the best player available at that pick is the guy that can start for the nest 10 years.

In the fourth round, Donald Washington is a player selected that may never crack the startig lineup, while Johnathan Luigs would be the starter on opening day, and could very well be a guy that mans that position for a decade.

In the fifth round, Jamon Meredith was a better player than Colin Brown at RT.
It wasn't even close.

The Washington pick is debatable, cause Washington has the athletic ability to possibly be a stud at corner.

The Brown pick isn't.
That guy is never going to take a snap at RT.
He looks like he might eventually be a pretty damn solid guard, but that wasn't the position they were addressing with that pick.

Best player available is the one that has the potential to help your team both now, and over the course of his career.

I get this...

But don't you think that...there was a reason why they took Brown over Meredith? Washington over Luigs?

I guess maybe I have faith in a guy like Pioli...we ALL knew the Patriots draft the Patriots way...and we all knew the guys that go cuckoo over the draft on this board were going to hate Pioli...so what is the big surprise?

So far, watching preseason...I've really liked what I've seen from Jackson and Magee...suddenly we're a NT away from having a pretty damn good DL...one chalked full of potential if you think about it...

and in all honesty, when I was watching...it seemed as if Tamba Hali might actually be a damn good blitzing OLB...but that's just from what I watched and what do I know?

I think we have a chance to field a pretty respectable defense this season...

Now...offensively...different story. But expecting this entire team to be fixed over one season? If we can play a little defense and establish a running game this season...we could win some games.

[Hoover]

I think Jackson will rush for over a 1000 yards with 8 TDs

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac

I get this...

But don't you think that...there was a reason why they took Brown over Meredith? Washington over Luigs?

I guess maybe I have faith in a guy like Pioli...we ALL knew the Patriots draft the Patriots way...and we all knew the guys that go cuckoo over the draft on this board were going to hate Pioli...so what is the big surprise?

So far, watching preseason...I've really liked what I've seen from Jackson and Magee...suddenly we're a NT away from having a pretty damn good DL...one chalked full of potential if you think about it...

and in all honesty, when I was watching...it seemed as if Tamba Hali might actually be a damn good blitzing OLB...but that's just from what I watched and what do I know?

I think we have a chance to field a pretty respectable defense this season...

Now...offensively...different story. But expecting this entire team to be fixed over one season? If we can play a little defense and establish a running game this season...we could win some games.

I'm certain there are reasons that they took Washington and Brown, and Washington's potential is pretty obvious.

But I can't even begin to fathom the reasoning behind taking Brown over Meredith.
Certainly there's no guarantee that Meredith will ever amount to anything, but I was almost certain that Brown would never be a RT in the NFL.

The fact that they chose to move him to RG in the second week of training camp pretty much tells us that they realized that he can't play RT, and indicates that the selection was a bad one.

Now I'm simply left to wonder what the hell they were thinking?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac

and look how that worked out...

we have one guy (Flowers) that looks like a pro bowler...everyone else?

Meh.

Charles 3rd down specialist, Carr decent...Dorsey? Who knows...Cottam (bust)...Morgan (bust)...Franklin (cut)...that draft ended up being what? So far a C with a little upside (Dorsey)?

You forgot Albert.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'm certain there are reasons that they took Washington and Brown, and Washington's potential is pretty obvious.

But I can't even begin to fathom the reasoning behind taking Brown over Meredith.
Certainly there's no guarantee that Meredith will ever amount to anything, but I was almost certain that Brown would never be a RT in the NFL.

The fact that they chose to move him to RG in the second week of training camp pretty much tells us that they realized that he can't play RT, and indicates that the selection was a bad one.

Now I'm simply left to wonder what the hell they were thinking?

Brown could turn out to be a solid guard and Meredith could be a bum. Who knows???

[milkman]

Originally Posted by PGM

Brown could turn out to be a solid guard and Meredith could be a bum. Who knows???

I get that, and I'm pretty sure that I've been more impressed with Brown at guard than anyone here.

But the fact remains, they selected a RT, and Meredith has/had better potential to succeed at RT than Brown.

[DJ's left nut]

I hated this draft. Absolutely hated it. I can't figure out why we didn't work on the line, can't figure out why we spent another pick on a project corner, can't figure out why we didn't look at even a longshot NT prospect.

Nothing that happened in this draft made sense to me at all.

At the same time, if we come out of it with a long-term QB and a very good (not solid, but near pro-bowl caliber) 5 technique, I guess the draft will be a good one regardless of how the rest of it turns out.

I think we could've done much MUCH better, but I'll withhold judgment for right now. This draft comes down to Jackson and Cassel, and Cassel will likely only go as far as the O-line can take him. I think we'll know by the end of this season how we should evaluate this draft.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why? Because I have absolutely no control over the Chiefs draft choices.

Would I have chosen someone different? Yes. But that's over.

But ****, why draft another defensive end when you have such glaring holes on the offensive line? I mean ****, Hootie! Did you see how poorly the offensive line has performed the past two years?

Okay, if we get past Magee (which to me is a mistake - either one or the other. Ty Jackson or Magee - not both). Donald Washington? What? Aren't Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr & Chiefs rookie of the year, Maurice Leggett set? I mean, WTF?

And then, to top it off, they PASS on Jamon Meredith (Packers) for Colin Brown? A guy that didn't even have a profile at NFL.com on draft day? A guy that was rated at #58 overall among tackles? A guy that immediately proved he couldn't handle the tackle spot in pads and had to be moved to guard?

Come on, Hootie. Even YOU have to admit that a few of us around here knew the ****ing score.

And Pioli and Haley are paying the price.

I'm usually not a fan of drafting on need after the first round, but given the Chiefs' investment in a $60M QB and given the Chiefs' lack of effort getting any free agent o-line upgrades, you're absolutely right. I'm cool with getting Jackson and I'm cool with focusing on the D-line. But the fact is, not having an offensive line could injure our most important player. The D-line won't do that. I trust Pioli in the long-run, but think he whiffed big time here.

[TFG]

As much as I was impressed with Jamon Meredith, something clearly bothered a lot of NFL teams about him. What we know is what we see. Meredith was playing like a First Round caliber OT prospect through his Soph year until something, an ankle, a clash with Spurrier, I don't know, but he was "out of favor" big time last year. Heck, I like him and I would have taken him. It is "what you don't know" that the NFL does that can screw you on these type of things. I liked a Clemson DL named Eric Coleman - had a First Round grade on him in 2005. Then he tested positive for weed at the Combine... went undrafted and wasted true First Round ability and is now out of football.