Chiefs I see Pioli taking a lot of the blame for last year's piss-ass offseason - Page 4

**RealSNR** · 03-25-2010, 06:55 PM

And I agree that he deserves most of it.

But are we leaving out Todd Haley in this situation? Remember, we don't quite know about Todd. He might actually be more reeruned than Herm. Nobody really knows.

To me, it's also kind of a Catch-22 here. If Todd Haley thought Tyson Jackson was a good pick, and that signing Goff and Mike Brown were good ideas and cutting Pollard and moving to the 3-4 were all good ideas, then he deserves some blame. I mean, he thought these abysmal ideas were good. But then if he didn't think these ideas were good, they still happened under his watch, and his head coaching job during the season reflected entirely Pioli's plan for how a football team should look. And in that case, Todd deserves blame ANYWAY for being a spineless bastard and giving in wholeheartedly to the wishes of Scott Pioli, who would not take any part in building the team, coaching them, improving them, and making the final product on gameday.

Chiefshrink · 03-25-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

BULLSHIT.

BULL ****ING SHIT.

This has been discussed ad nauseam, but Pioli had a FULL contingent of scouts and IGNORED THEM.

Would you please GO THE **** AWAY?!

Dane Dane Dane

Have you not changed your tampon nor started your prozac????

Because it is shoooooooooooooooowing

WTF were you expecting the first yr Dane ol boy?????????????????

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-25-2010, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Dane Dane Dane

Have you not changed your tampon nor started your prozac????

Because it is shoooooooooooooooowing

WTF were you expecting the first yr Dane ol boy?????????????????

Shut the **** up.

Your comments are arbitrary and worthless

beach tribe · 03-26-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I have a feeling Todd Haley had very little input regarding Tyson Jackson.

That's how I feel as well.

Hammock Parties · 03-26-2010, 11:16 AM

Mike Brown is 100% a Haley move.

He called him his favorite player.

Haley should be blamed for leaving Charles to rot on the bench for half the season.

He's not innocent by any stretch of the imagination. However, he has a much better excuse than Pioli - he was a rookie head coach. Pioli was supposedly honing his talent acquisition skills for nigh-on a decade in New England. He was supposed to come out of the box ready to go. Apparently he came without batteries.

Hammock Parties · 03-26-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If Haley's a moron, then it's on Pioli for hiring the dumb sonofabitch.

If we have another bad draft and Haley is fired things would not look good for Pioli.

**The Franchise** · 03-26-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

If we have another bad draft and Haley is fired things would not look good for Pioli.

If we have another bad draft? Pioli could draft o-line with his first 3 picks and the true fans would ****ing rejoice.

Hammock Parties · 03-26-2010, 11:21 AM

I wrote this during the season. This is how dumb Todd Haley was.

http://kan.scout.com/2/917639.html

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Chiefs Are Starving Charles

All week long, running back Jamaal Charles was the hot topic in Kansas City. Larry Johnson was suspended, Charles was slated to start against the Jacksonville Jaguars, fans were excited and ready for something fresh in the backfield. After Johnson’s 2.7 yards per carry and zero touchdowns in 2009, change was good.
Head coach Todd Haley talked up Charles during last week’s press conferences. Charles himself bubbled about the opportunity to finally start and be featured. The stage was set for a young player to prove himself. On three of the first four plays of Sunday’s game, the Chiefs put the ball in Charles’ hands. He gained 22 yards. It certainly appeared as if Haley planned to feature Charles and then, without warning, everything ground to a halt. After three touches in four plays (which led to a field goal), Charles only saw the ball six more times the rest of the game. The Chiefs went several series without making an attempt to put the ball in his hands. After the beginning of the game, Charles waited until there were 35 seconds left in the first half for his next touch. Instead of handing the ball to Charles, the Chiefs rolled out an old Kansas City “favorite,” running back by committee. Kolby Smith, Dantrell Savage and even fullback Mike Cox received touches. All told, KC’s backs combined for 18 touches and produced 84 yards. Not awful by any stretch of the imagination, and no one was missing Johnson or his 2.7 yards per carry. Running back by committee averaged over four yards per carry. But what good did it really do? The Chiefs failed to move the ball with much success until the game was well out of reach in the fourth quarter. Until Matt Cassel started throwing desperate bombs to Dwayne Bowe and Chris Chambers, Kansas City’s longest drive covered only 39 yards. Haley’s offense produced five three-and-out series and, at one point, punted four consecutive times. It was pathetic offense. Should we really be surprised when the gameplanning is equally pathetic? After Tennessee’s Chris Johnson scorched the Jaguars for 228 yards rushing a week ago, the Chiefs should have done everything in their power to feature Charles Sunday in Jacksonville. There was no reason to give him only nine touches (and just six carries) in a game that was close almost the entire way. Not only are Charles and Johnson possessive of similar skill sets, the Chiefs themselves apparently desired to capitalize on their similarities. Haley revealed before Sunday’s game that assistant head coach Maurice Carthon prepared a tape of Johnson for Charles to watch earlier this season. Doesn't that scream that the Chiefs would like nothing more than for Charles to be just like Johnson? They see the potential in him to produce in a similar manner. Why else bother with the tape? Why bother starting him in Larry Johnson’s absence if you don’t feel he’s your top back? But if all that is true, how do you explain Sunday’s game, where Charles was starved for touches despite doing nothing wrong (other than muffing a kickoff return)? It boggles the mind. The Chiefs are desperate for playmakers, give the fastest, most talented running back on their team the start, and then ignore him for large chunks of the game. Even worse, they hand the ball to players with less talent. Savage and Smith, while they certainly aren’t without talent, don’t even begin to compare to Charles. You can talk about raw timed speed all you want, but even on the field, they haven’t produced in the same manner. The longest play of Savage’s NFL career? Twelve yards. Smith’s career best? Nineteen yards. Haley’s only explanation for his lack of commitment to the running game Sunday was to offer up a vague and brief statement about the defensive looks the Jaguars were showing Kansas City, citing run blitzes as a reason the Chiefs called 44 passes against 12 runs. But when he turns right around and starts complaining about negative plays, it’s almost hypocritical. Every negative play the Chiefs had Sunday came via the passing game. Again, in a close contest, why abandon the running game? Even worse, why abandon the playmaker with the most potential? Charles ripped off over 100 yards last year in the only game he was featured, carried the load at Texas as a senior and has stayed healthy this season. He’s ready for more. Sunday’s game was reminiscent of an era Chiefs fans would just as soon forget. It wasn’t so long ago that Jimmy Raye was calling plays for Kansas City and handing the ball to three backs instead of one – who can forget the plodding ways of Bam Morris and Donnell Bennett? Raye wasted time splitting touches between backs when he should have been handing the ball mostly to Tony Richardson, who actually led the entire AFC in yards per touch a year after Morris was dumped from the team and Bennett was dumped to the bench. Guess which running back is leading the Chiefs in yards per touch this season? The same player who could barely buy a touch in Jacksonville Sunday. At the pace he’s currently on, Charles won’t come close to equaling the numbers he put up as a rookie and complementary piece in Chan Gailey’s 2008 offense, and that’s a shame considering the lack of playmakers in Kansas City. The Chiefs should be wearing Charles out trying to find ways to move the ball on offense. Maybe we shouldn’t be surprised. All season long, Haley has struggled to find opportunities for Dwayne Bowe to catch the football while Johnson, the NFL’s least productive runner, was fed carries with regularity. Waiver-wire pickups (Lance Long, Bobby Wade, Chris Chambers) become Playmaker Of The Week after skimming Haley’s playbook for a few days. There’s little logic in the way the ball is distributed within Kansas City’s offense. Charles doesn’t have a Twitter account, so we won’t know if he’s upset over all this. But everyone else who follows the Chiefs is.

This is how dumb Todd Haley was. When dipshit fans who mistake Devard Darling for Jerry Rice can see that you're not properly managing your resources as a head coach, you have egg on your face.

JohnnyV13 · 03-26-2010, 11:43 AM

Clayton, isn't it great when an article makes you look smart in retrospect?

At least, it makes it easier to forget about Jordon Black.

Hammock Parties · 03-26-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

Clayton, isn't it great when an article makes you look smart in retrospect?

At least, it makes it easier to forget about Jordon Black.

Dipshit fans, indeed.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-26-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

If we have another bad draft and Haley is fired things would not look good for Pioli.

Haley isn't necessarily the guy I would prefer to see shit-canned of the two.

**DeezNutz** · 03-26-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by YOUCANTKILLROR

Haley isn't necessarily the guy I would prefer to see shit-canned of the two.

When you remove a tree from the ground, ROR, it's bad form to leave a bunch of branches scattered around the yard.

No excuses.

If these mother****ers fail or prove to be incompetent...carpet. bomb.

Titty Meat · 03-26-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

When you remove a tree from the ground, ROR, it's bad form to leave a bunch of branches scattered around the yard.

No excuses.

If these mother****ers fail or prove to be incompetent...carpet. bomb.

Whatchu' know bout tree removal ?

Hammock Parties · 03-26-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

When you remove a tree from the ground, ROR, it's bad form to leave a bunch of branches scattered around the yard.

No excuses.

If these mother****ers fail or prove to be incompetent...carpet. bomb.

That's what got the Chiefs in trouble 12 years ago.

When Marty went, the rest of it should have been blown out, too.

CoMoChief · 03-26-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

And I agree that he deserves most of it.

But are we leaving out Todd Haley in this situation? Remember, we don't quite know about Todd. He might actually be more reeruned than Herm. Nobody really knows.

To me, it's also kind of a Catch-22 here. If Todd Haley thought Tyson Jackson was a good pick, and that signing Goff and Mike Brown were good ideas and cutting Pollard and moving to the 3-4 were all good ideas, then he deserves some blame. I mean, he thought these abysmal ideas were good. But then if he didn't think these ideas were good, they still happened under his watch, and his head coaching job during the season reflected entirely Pioli's plan for how a football team should look. And in that case, Todd deserves blame ANYWAY for being a spineless bastard and giving in wholeheartedly to the wishes of Scott Pioli, who would not take any part in building the team, coaching them, improving them, and making the final product on gameday.

The team's in a transition mode. this team has been a 4-3 for a long long time. Now all a sudden new regime comes in and wants to switch to a 3-4. Well we had close to no one that fits that scheme. So KC had to make due while they're making the transition. This draft is important for this team to be competitive in the long run. Were in a good position to take some good talent in this upcoming draft. Alot of 1st rd talent will prob slip into the 2nd rds where we pick.

Personally I think the coaching staff will be better, Haley in particular will be a lot better have learning on the job. Weiss and Crennell will back him up. Theyre coord but they can also be mentors as well. We have some playmakers on offense. This season all hinges on how well Cassel/Oline plays. If they play well, then the Chiefs have a chance of being competitive. Defense needs to improve, still need a NT.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-26-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

When you remove a tree from the ground, ROR, it's bad form to leave a bunch of branches scattered around the yard.

No excuses.

If these mother****ers fail or prove to be incompetent...carpet. bomb.

Point taken, I'm just saying it's too bad Haley's little red wagon happens to be in Pioli's wagon train.

03-25-2010, 06:55 PM
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $1810208	I see Pioli taking a lot of the blame for last year's piss-ass offseason And I agree that he deserves most of it. But are we leaving out Todd Haley in this situation? Remember, we don't quite know about Todd. He might actually be more reeruned than Herm. Nobody really knows. To me, it's also kind of a Catch-22 here. If Todd Haley thought Tyson Jackson was a good pick, and that signing Goff and Mike Brown were good ideas and cutting Pollard and moving to the 3-4 were all good ideas, then he deserves some blame. I mean, he thought these abysmal ideas were good. But then if he didn't think these ideas were good, they still happened under his watch, and his head coaching job during the season reflected entirely Pioli's plan for how a football team should look. And in that case, Todd deserves blame ANYWAY for being a spineless bastard and giving in wholeheartedly to the wishes of Scott Pioli, who would not take any part in building the team, coaching them, improving them, and making the final product on gameday.
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03-26-2010, 11:16 AM	#49
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4160478	Mike Brown is 100% a Haley move. He called him his favorite player. Haley should be blamed for leaving Charles to rot on the bench for half the season. He's not innocent by any stretch of the imagination. However, he has a much better excuse than Pioli - he was a rookie head coach. Pioli was supposedly honing his talent acquisition skills for nigh-on a decade in New England. He was supposed to come out of the box ready to go. Apparently he came without batteries. __________________ Chiefs game films
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03-26-2010, 11:43 AM	#53
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