Gretz: Fins caved when the King put his foot down - Page 4

shaneo69 · 06-10-2007, 08:18 AM

GRETZ: Finally
Jun 06, 2007, 2:49:52 PM by Bob Gretz

So finally it’s done.

The Chiefs and Dolphins agreed to terms on a deal for Trent Green on Tuesday morning, sending the team’s former starting quarterback to south Florida for a fifth-round draft choice.

That compensation will rise to a fourth-round pick if Green plays more than 70 percent of the offensive snaps for Miami. Only injury will keep that from happening, so the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.

Green passed a physical in Miami on Wednesday and he’ll be on the field for the team’s mini-camp this weekend.

In the end, the Dolphins blinked. They had been stuck for months on their position of offering only a sixth-round choice for Green. No matter what offer the Chiefs put on the table over the last six weeks, and there were many different packages suggested, the Dolphins said no, just a sixth rounder. The Chiefs made conditional offers, straight offers, they submitted a list of veteran players on the Dolphins roster. Always the ‘Fins said no deal.

Miami could have had Green for a sixth-round choice on the first day of the NFL Draft, but they wouldn’t swap positions in the third round. That 11-spot movement along with the sixth rounder would have given the Chiefs fourth-round value, while the Dolphins could have said they gave up only a sixth. It was a win-win and they said no.

In reality, the Chiefs did everything they could to get a deal done with Miami with one exception: they were not going to give Green away. A sixth-round pick for a starting NFL quarterback is giving the guy away. That’s trading the triggerman of your offense for Jimmy Wilkerson, or Will Svitek, or Khari Long, or Tre Stallings, or Jeff Webb … all recent sixth round picks.

The Dolphins thought the Chiefs were bluffing. They learned otherwise. Ultimately it came down to this: the Chiefs told the Dolphins the deal was going to happen on Tuesday, or there would be no deal. They were prepared, as Carl Peterson had said all along, to take Green into training camp and the 2007 season. Had the deal not been consummated, discussions would have ended and the matter closed.

Green was not at Arrowhead Stadium on Tuesday, despite an on-field OTA session; he’s made all of those practices before that one. It’s a good guess that he was at home, working the phone to his agent and telling him to get the Dolphins off the sixth-round pick, because this was make or break time. Green has made it very plain that he wanted no part of the quarterback competition that Herm Edwards has set up for this season. Why he was reluctant to compete for the job is something Green hasn’t fully explained, other than to say he thought the situation was weighted in favor of Brodie Croyle.

In meeting with Chiefs brass over the weekend, Green came to understand that Arrowhead’s patience with the Dolphins and him were dramatically fading. His public campaigning to get out of town had only solidified the Chiefs stance on this deal: they were not going to give him away. It was time for the Dolphins to put up and Green to shut up.

If Green holds up physically, the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick, which in recent years has brought players like Jared Allen and Donnie Edwards. Not every fourth rounder works out, but the odds are greatly increased that they have enough ability to make a contribution.

In the end, here’s what the Dolphins and Green learned: despite the analysis of pundits and even Green’s own agent, the Chiefs had all the leverage in this situation. They had Green, had him under contract, and were willing to carry his price tag. They were not going to give him away.

They stuck to their guns, the Dolphins blinked and now everybody gets to move on.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/06/06/gretz_finally/

**Dartgod** · 06-11-2007, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Logical

By the way it is to early to judge whether we win. If Croyle and Huard don't work out then it will have been a failure. It is a gamble but gamble worth taking.

We got a 5th, possibly a 4th round pick for a QB that does not figure into the future of this team. How that could be looked upon as a failure is beyond me.

Reerun_KC · 06-11-2007, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

We got a 5th, possibly a 4th round pick for a QB that does not figure into the future of this team. How that could be looked upon as a failure is beyond me.

True, but how can this article look like nothing but a huge swallow job is beyond me...

**Dartgod** · 06-11-2007, 07:51 AM

If all people can bitch about is CP thumping his chest for a deal he made, then he must be doing a good job.

I am by no means a CP fan, but he's done a very good job with personnel decisions the last 2-3 years. Hopefully that will get us where we want to be.

stevieray · 06-11-2007, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

True, but how can this article look like nothing but a huge swallow job is beyond me...

do you really think that every article is supposed to make you happy?

Reerun_KC · 06-11-2007, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

do you really think that every article is supposed to make you happy?

Actually, I dont base my happiness from articles written on sports teams websites or the ChiefsPlanet...

stevieray · 06-11-2007, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Actually, I dont base my happiness from articles written on sports teams websites or the ChiefsPlanet...

then wouldn't it be fair to say that you can't lay your uhappiness at the feet of these articles?

Messier · 06-11-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

True, but how can this article look like nothing but a huge swallow job is beyond me...

I think the problem is that no one needs to point out that the Kansas City Chiefs OFFICIAL web site is going to be pro Chiefs, it's sort of implied by it being the Chiefs web site and all.

htismaqe · 06-11-2007, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logical

By the way it is to early to judge whether we win. If Croyle and Huard don't work out then it will have been a failure. It is a gamble but gamble worth taking.

Croyle and Huard have NO BEARING on the Green trade whatsoever. The only thing that matters is how much Green has left in the tank.

The Rick · 06-11-2007, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

My post had nothing to do with what we received for Trent Green.

It has everything to do with the organization putting out a story on the team's website gloating about how tough Carl Peterson is.

I'm tired of the chickenshit articles this website produces. The content is the worst I've ever seen on a team's official homepage.

I usually agree with and have a lot of respect for your posts, but I can't agree with you on this one. What do you expect? Something that says Carl is a cross-dressing pansy?

Every company in the world posts "chickenshit" articles about themselves or someone in their organization all the time. Kansas City Chiefs, Inc. is no different...

Simply Red · 06-11-2007, 09:32 AM

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crazycoffey · 06-11-2007, 09:35 AM

Carl's the bomb, he did what he needed to do and it worked out better than many of us thought it would.

BTW, why is this still being discussed/argued about?

The better question is, why did I just jump into it......

Reerun_KC · 06-11-2007, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

then wouldn't it be fair to say that you can't lay your uhappiness at the feet of these articles?

Not unhappy... Actually I find it very commical that they think the fans of the Chiefs are so nieve that we would believe anything that Gretz writes...

Sure-Oz · 06-11-2007, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

My post had nothing to do with what we received for Trent Green.

It has everything to do with the organization putting out a story on the team's website gloating about how tough Carl Peterson is.

I'm tired of the chickenshit articles this website produces. The content is the worst I've ever seen on a team's official homepage.

The stories suck and all seem to be fluff, but i expect no better from a team's homepage which is 100% biased.

Reerun_KC · 06-11-2007, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

The better question is, why did I just jump into it......

Do you really need to ask that?

jidar · 06-11-2007, 09:40 AM

Oh look at the Chiefs bashers, it's all the usual suspects.

Carl basically pulled this off beautifully and you guys can't stand it so you find something else to bitch about.

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06-10-2007, 08:18 AM
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	Gretz: Fins caved when the King put his foot down GRETZ: Finally Jun 06, 2007, 2:49:52 PM by Bob Gretz So finally it’s done. The Chiefs and Dolphins agreed to terms on a deal for Trent Green on Tuesday morning, sending the team’s former starting quarterback to south Florida for a fifth-round draft choice. That compensation will rise to a fourth-round pick if Green plays more than 70 percent of the offensive snaps for Miami. Only injury will keep that from happening, so the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft. Green passed a physical in Miami on Wednesday and he’ll be on the field for the team’s mini-camp this weekend. In the end, the Dolphins blinked. They had been stuck for months on their position of offering only a sixth-round choice for Green. No matter what offer the Chiefs put on the table over the last six weeks, and there were many different packages suggested, the Dolphins said no, just a sixth rounder. The Chiefs made conditional offers, straight offers, they submitted a list of veteran players on the Dolphins roster. Always the ‘Fins said no deal. Miami could have had Green for a sixth-round choice on the first day of the NFL Draft, but they wouldn’t swap positions in the third round. That 11-spot movement along with the sixth rounder would have given the Chiefs fourth-round value, while the Dolphins could have said they gave up only a sixth. It was a win-win and they said no. In reality, the Chiefs did everything they could to get a deal done with Miami with one exception: they were not going to give Green away. A sixth-round pick for a starting NFL quarterback is giving the guy away. That’s trading the triggerman of your offense for Jimmy Wilkerson, or Will Svitek, or Khari Long, or Tre Stallings, or Jeff Webb … all recent sixth round picks. The Dolphins thought the Chiefs were bluffing. They learned otherwise. Ultimately it came down to this: the Chiefs told the Dolphins the deal was going to happen on Tuesday, or there would be no deal. They were prepared, as Carl Peterson had said all along, to take Green into training camp and the 2007 season. Had the deal not been consummated, discussions would have ended and the matter closed. Green was not at Arrowhead Stadium on Tuesday, despite an on-field OTA session; he’s made all of those practices before that one. It’s a good guess that he was at home, working the phone to his agent and telling him to get the Dolphins off the sixth-round pick, because this was make or break time. Green has made it very plain that he wanted no part of the quarterback competition that Herm Edwards has set up for this season. Why he was reluctant to compete for the job is something Green hasn’t fully explained, other than to say he thought the situation was weighted in favor of Brodie Croyle. In meeting with Chiefs brass over the weekend, Green came to understand that Arrowhead’s patience with the Dolphins and him were dramatically fading. His public campaigning to get out of town had only solidified the Chiefs stance on this deal: they were not going to give him away. It was time for the Dolphins to put up and Green to shut up. If Green holds up physically, the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick, which in recent years has brought players like Jared Allen and Donnie Edwards. Not every fourth rounder works out, but the odds are greatly increased that they have enough ability to make a contribution. In the end, here’s what the Dolphins and Green learned: despite the analysis of pundits and even Green’s own agent, the Chiefs had all the leverage in this situation. They had Green, had him under contract, and were willing to carry his price tag. They were not going to give him away. They stuck to their guns, the Dolphins blinked and now everybody gets to move on. http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/06/06/gretz_finally/
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06-11-2007, 07:51 AM	#48
Dartgod Wasted away again... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: in Margaritaville Casino cash: $6860000	If all people can bitch about is CP thumping his chest for a deal he made, then he must be doing a good job. I am by no means a CP fan, but he's done a very good job with personnel decisions the last 2-3 years. Hopefully that will get us where we want to be. __________________ If you shed a tear for me, please make it a tear of joy. -Joe Tracy (Nzoner) . .
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06-11-2007, 09:35 AM	#56
crazycoffey .......... Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $5047901	Carl's the bomb, he did what he needed to do and it worked out better than many of us thought it would. BTW, why is this still being discussed/argued about? The better question is, why did I just jump into it......
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06-11-2007, 09:40 AM	#60
jidar MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: a Casino cash: $10004900	Oh look at the Chiefs bashers, it's all the usual suspects. Carl basically pulled this off beautifully and you guys can't stand it so you find something else to bitch about. YACK YAACK YACK YACK YACK YACKETY YACK YACK
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