So when do we fire Dumther Cunningham? - Page 4

DaWolf · 12-09-2007, 08:41 PM

???

Still waiting for him to bring back that "dominant Chiefs defense" he promised, oh, what, four years ago?

Whose he going to blame this year, two years after acquiring every player on his "list of players" to turn the chiefs D around?

I'm beginning to think Gunther is the Carl Peterson of defensive coordinators.

This whole staff needs to be canned if Herm is coming back...

Micjones · 12-10-2007, 12:14 PM

I'm not opposed to staff changes, but I'm not about to badger this defense.

Not when they've kept us in games all year while the offense did Jack Shit.

DJJasonp · 12-10-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Actually, our average TOP is somehow 30:02.

So this got me thinking....and thinking back to Herm's arrogant speeches on his offensive philosophies and how "arena league football" doesnt eat up clock...and keeps defenses tired because they're on the field too much.

Well...according to NFL.com....in 2005, the chiefs led the league in scoring....and our TOP for the year was 32:09.

Another Hermosophy thrown out the window by logic and reason.

You score more points than the other team, you usually win the game.

And to comment on Gun....he (along with EVERYONE) should be fired. He has too much talent to continue to produce horrible results (especially against the run). Quite honestly, I think he's too predictable (and hence, why a good coach such as Shanahan...eats him up more times than not).

I said pretty much the same thing when Robinson was the DC....how many times/years can it continue to be about the talent and not about the coaching? I mean, these guys are NFL players right? If they're good enough to be drafted, etc....they should be at least efficient and get better from year to year, right?

Thing is....either side of the coin is the staff's fault. If gunther is putting people in position to make plays and stop the opponent....he's lost his value and should be fired....if it IS about the players...and they're not talented enough...then Gunther should be fired for continuing to make poor player personnel decisions.

Long story short...clark...pull the plug on this entire staff.

jidar · 12-10-2007, 12:27 PM

one ****ing game. shoot yourself in your reeruned ****ing head.

jidar · 12-10-2007, 12:29 PM

Man I can't believe there is a thread here with people bitching about the defense after this season. Holy ****. How the **** are people this stupid able to get out of bed without killing themselves?

DJJasonp · 12-10-2007, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jidar

Man I can't believe there is a thread here with people bitching about the defense after this season. Holy ****. How the **** are people this stupid able to get out of bed without killing themselves?

I think someone else pointed out earlier, so I'll reiterate:

Green Bay game
Both Denver games
Oakland game

Same could be said for the SD game (looked great in 1st half....looked terrible in the 2nd half).

Yes, it's obvious that the defense feels like it's an uphill battle when in the back of their minds, they know the offense isnt going to do crap even if they make the stop.

**HemiEd** · 12-10-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

The whole coaching staff needs to be shit canned along with Herm

I agree, it is probably the only way to salvage the talent this team already has.

Calcountry · 12-10-2007, 12:40 PM

Clark Hunt needs to appologize openly to all the fans of Kansas City for the horrible product that he has allowed to be passed off as football this year. With that said, he should then like to begin again with a clean slate and rebuild this proud franchise into a super bowl contender.

As a necessary first step, Carl Peterson will no longer be with the team. The New GM, will have the right to bring in his own coaches to completely overhaul this Franchise. You the fans, deserve nothing less than a franchise that is fully capable of contending for a Super Bowl on a consistent basis and, as Owner of the Chiefs, it is my responsibility to deliver that to you.

That would be nice to hear.

Calcountry · 12-10-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I agree, it is probably the only way to salvage the talent this team already has.

The rest should be traded for picks, we need to completely rebuild the team from scratch with absolutely no ties to any of the underperformances of the past. Complete new identity. We are talking 2 more years before we sniff the playoffs.

jidar · 12-10-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

I think someone else pointed out earlier, so I'll reiterate:

Green Bay game
Both Denver games
Oakland game

Same could be said for the SD game (looked great in 1st half....looked terrible in the 2nd half).

Yes, it's obvious that the defense feels like it's an uphill battle when in the back of their minds, they know the offense isnt going to do crap even if they make the stop.

ridiculous. So a defense has to play perfect through the whole season or they suck and the coordinator should be fired? Even when they keep opposing teams under 20 for most of the season?

As for picking out games, EVERY SINGLE EXAMPLE YOU LISTED HAD OUR O THROWING INTS IN THE RED ZONE.

**HemiEd** · 12-10-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

And to comment on Gun....he (along with EVERYONE) should be fired. He has too much talent to continue to produce horrible results (especially against the run). Quite honestly, I think he's too predictable (and hence, why a good coach such as Shanahan...eats him up more times than not).

Did it look to anyone else like Shannahan was smiling yesterday? I thought he was enjoying himself way to much.

DJJasonp · 12-10-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jidar

ridiculous. So a defense has to play perfect through the whole season or they suck and the coordinator should be fired? Even when they keep opposing teams under 20 for most of the season?

As for picking out games, EVERY SINGLE EXAMPLE YOU LISTED HAD OUR O THROWING INTS IN THE RED ZONE.

we had a lead against Green Bay...and somehow bit on a play action pass with less than 3 or 4 minutes left in the game? How does that even happen?

Why do we continue to let no-name running backs eat us alive (Oakland, denver)?

I'm not saying a defense has to play perfect - but this defense has let us down far more times this year than it seems you want to admit to.

I respect your opinion, but I'm just politely disagreeing.

Combine that with the fact that I'm already biased towards the whole organization being fired...and you'll see where I'm coming from.

But here's the deal....I want a house cleaning because I no longer want any coach, GM, etc. who sits around arrowhead's offices thinking back to the so-called glory days of the 90's (when we didnt really accomplish a damn thing).

I want a GM/coach/players who dont accept that as "glory days" (such as jerry jones or bill bellichek, etc.). We have too many people thinking way too much of their "accomplishments" in the 90's.

It's time for a new attitude.

**HemiEd** · 12-10-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

The rest should be traded for picks, we need to completely rebuild the team from scratch with absolutely no ties to any of the underperformances of the past. Complete new identity. We are talking 2 more years before we sniff the playoffs.

I am dreading the part where they have to "learn how to win." I think it will be at least two more years before they approach mediocrity again.

Honestly, if we had a head coach who was smarter than a box of rocks, I could have some faith.

**HemiEd** · 12-10-2007, 01:24 PM

Well, I just checked, and the defense has dropped out of "top 10" in both catagories now. 13th in points allowed and 15th in yards allowed. The offense is holding it's own at 30th and 31st.

link

Go Gunther!!!!

Chiefnj2 · 12-10-2007, 01:27 PM

Interesting factoids:

1. KC's rush defense is worse, in terms of yards per carry, right now than it was in Vermeil's last year.

2. If KC gives up an average of 18 points or more during its final 3 games, it will have given up more points than Vermeil's defense did in 2005.

**HemiEd** · 12-10-2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Interesting factoids:

1. KC's rush defense is worse, in terms of yards per carry, right now than it was in Vermeil's last year.

2. If KC gives up an average of 18 points or more during its final 3 games, it will have given up more points than Vermeil's defense did in 2005.

That is really going to leave a mark on a few posters around here.

12-09-2007, 08:41 PM
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	So when do we fire Dumther Cunningham? ??? Still waiting for him to bring back that "dominant Chiefs defense" he promised, oh, what, four years ago? Whose he going to blame this year, two years after acquiring every player on his "list of players" to turn the chiefs D around? I'm beginning to think Gunther is the Carl Peterson of defensive coordinators. This whole staff needs to be canned if Herm is coming back...
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12-10-2007, 12:14 PM	#46
Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	I'm not opposed to staff changes, but I'm not about to badger this defense. Not when they've kept us in games all year while the offense did Jack Shit.
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Calcountry Shoot the tube Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $7527870	Clark Hunt needs to appologize openly to all the fans of Kansas City for the horrible product that he has allowed to be passed off as football this year. With that said, he should then like to begin again with a clean slate and rebuild this proud franchise into a super bowl contender. As a necessary first step, Carl Peterson will no longer be with the team. The New GM, will have the right to bring in his own coaches to completely overhaul this Franchise. You the fans, deserve nothing less than a franchise that is fully capable of contending for a Super Bowl on a consistent basis and, as Owner of the Chiefs, it is my responsibility to deliver that to you. That would be nice to hear. __________________
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HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $-559436	Well, I just checked, and the defense has dropped out of "top 10" in both catagories now. 13th in points allowed and 15th in yards allowed. The offense is holding it's own at 30th and 31st. link Go Gunther!!!!
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Interesting factoids: 1. KC's rush defense is worse, in terms of yards per carry, right now than it was in Vermeil's last year. 2. If KC gives up an average of 18 points or more during its final 3 games, it will have given up more points than Vermeil's defense did in 2005. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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