Would you have Drafted differently?

[Direckshun]

I'm not necessarily saying I'd do things differently, but here's an idea I thought I'd float out there:

Assuming the rest of the Draft played out the way it did...

1. DT Glenn Dorsey
1. OT Jeff Otah (no trade up)
2. DE Quentin Groves
3. MLB Dan Connor
3. WR Early Doucet
3. DB Tyvon Branch
4. C Kory Lichtensteiger
5. OG Roy Schuening
5. QB Josh Johnson
6. OT Barry Richardson
6. DE Chris Harrington
7. CB Wilroy Fontenot
7. RB Allen Patrick

1 QB
1 RB
1 WR
4 OL
3 DL
1 LB
2 CB

*scratches head* It's really hard to complain about the Draft we ended up with.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

To me, it just looks like a purely need-based draft. You managed to fill all the main holes, and you took guys way above where they actually went. It just reminded me of something the Vermeil teams would have done.

The guy on NFLDC was ripping on the 3rd round picks because they weren't major needs.....I like how they won't rip certain teams either.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Junior-59 catches for 772 yards and 8 touchdowns. Senior- 57 Receptions, 525 Yards, and 5 TD's. Yes, he sucks. Horrible numbers for a 2nd or 3rd receiver.

Doucet wasn't the value that Charles or Morgan were in the third round.

Not even close.

Sometimes, I really think that people here either didn't watch the Chiefs last year or they've forgotten that they lack talent and depth.

While it's *possible* that Doucet (even though he's small and slow) may turn into a decent NFL receiver at some point (and he had nagging injuries all last year), it's *likely* that Charles will see significant playing time this year. LJ is coming off an injury, Smith had a problem staying healthy, which is why we saw people like Gilbert fucking Harris run the ball.

Is that what you're advocating? Develop a slow, small receiver with a history of injuries instead of taking the stud RB who had a first round grade?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm not necessarily saying I'd do things differently, but here's an idea I thought I'd float out there:

Assuming the rest of the Draft played out the way it did...

1. DT Glenn Dorsey
1. OT Jeff Otah (no trade up)
2. DE Quentin Groves
3. MLB Dan Connor
3. WR Early Doucet
3. DB Tyvon Branch
4. C Kory Lichtensteiger
5. OG Roy Schuening
5. QB Josh Johnson
6. OT Barry Richardson
6. DE Chris Harrington
7. CB Wilroy Fontenot
7. RB Allen Patrick

Sorry, I hate your draft. HATE.

Otah doesn't have nearly the athleticism as Albert (or talent), Connor doesn't fit the scheme, Doucet is small, slow and has a history of injuries, Lichtensteiger is a project and doesn't fit the scheme, Josh Johnson is a MAJOR project and the 7th round players don't stand a chance.

The Chiefs drafted players that will contribute and at least 4 or 5 stand to be home runs. Pro Bowl players (Dorsey, Albert, Flowers, Morgan & Charles).

Your draft reeks of "potential".

I HATE "potential".

[Mecca]

I want to show you guys something a draft site listed before the draft "top 10 values for where they are expected to be picked" guess who 2 of those guys were...

Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas, 2nd Round
This guy is too good to be a 2nd round talent. The only reason Charles could drop into the 2nd round is because of the strong depth at running back in the NFL Draft. If Charles would have stayed in college, he would be the top 2009 NFL Draft running back prospect. Running a 4.38 40 only showed more proof that this guy is for real if his 1,619 rushing yards, 18 touchdowns, and 6.3 yards per carry was not proof enough. I will be rooting for Charles on draft day, but at the same time be bitter toward aggressive agents who persuade these kids to leave school early only for them to sacrifice millions of dollars.

Barry Richardson, OT, Clemson – late 4th to early 6th Round
Richardson probably is suffering from Brian Brohm syndrome, where his stock has dropped after deciding to stay in college. Richardson has great size at 6-7, 338 lbs. and was a four year starter for Clemson, but many analysts are saying “lacks the intensity.” Well for Richardson that is good news because that’s one weakness that he can improve on, unlike height and a vast change in 40 speed. If Richardson has that light bulb come on in his head and plays like the giant beast that he can, then he will be a phenomenal steal. Physically, Richardson is everything you want from an offensive tackle.

[SBK]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I want to show you guys something a draft site listed before the draft "top 10 values for where they are expected to be picked" guess who 2 of those guys were...

Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas, 2nd Round
This guy is too good to be a 2nd round talent. The only reason Charles could drop into the 2nd round is because of the strong depth at running back in the NFL Draft. If Charles would have stayed in college, he would be the top 2009 NFL Draft running back prospect. Running a 4.38 40 only showed more proof that this guy is for real if his 1,619 rushing yards, 18 touchdowns, and 6.3 yards per carry was not proof enough. I will be rooting for Charles on draft day, but at the same time be bitter toward aggressive agents who persuade these kids to leave school early only for them to sacrifice millions of dollars.

Barry Richardson, OT, Clemson – late 4th to early 6th Round
Richardson probably is suffering from Brian Brohm syndrome, where his stock has dropped after deciding to stay in college. Richardson has great size at 6-7, 338 lbs. and was a four year starter for Clemson, but many analysts are saying “lacks the intensity.” Well for Richardson that is good news because that’s one weakness that he can improve on, unlike height and a vast change in 40 speed. If Richardson has that light bulb come on in his head and plays like the giant beast that he can, then he will be a phenomenal steal. Physically, Richardson is everything you want from an offensive tackle.

The more I read about our draft the more impressed I am with it. And I thought it was killer by the end of Sunday.....

[penchief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Dan Connor doesn't fit the Chiefs defense at all........I don't know why it is so hard for people to understand that.

To play MLB in a cover to you have to be able to drop deep in coverage and be good at it, that is his biggest weakness. Connor isn't a 3 down LB either, he's a 2 down thumper.

Basically picking Connor would have been taking his biggest weakness and asking him to do it all the time as his job.

Dan Connor played the pass extremely well in college. He had way more interceptions and passes defended than Rivers did overall and statistically he did better each year, whether he was playing inside or out. Also, his ability to play both the middle and outside made him more likely to be a three down linebacker.

JMO.

[Brock]

NFL teams pretty much told you which one is better. And way, way better is their verdict.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

To me, it just looks like a purely need-based draft. You managed to fill all the main holes, and you took guys way above where they actually went. It just reminded me of something the Vermeil teams would have done.

Or someone who had the Dolphins in the planet mock.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by Brock

NFL teams pretty much told you which one is better. And way, way better is their verdict.

I'm not claiming Connor is better than Rivers. I'm asking Mecca to explain how Connor is a two down back when he appeared to play the pass very well. And the statistics back that up. So did his play on the field.

I thought he would have been a good fit.

[DT Fan]

Count me in the group that was hoping for Early Doucet with that second third round pick. I know, I know -- he's short and slow -- but I think he'll be a productive possession receiver in the NFL and he'd be penciled in as a starter for us from day 1.

So I guess Doucet over Cottam and/or an OL with the last pick (since I think we could have signed Merritt as UDFA), but that's a really minor quibble.

I also give the FO credit for a couple of things -- picking Richardson in the 7th (if we had picked him 4th or 5th, I doubt anyone here would have minded), pulling the trigger on DeJuan Morgan even though safety is not our biggest area of need (that guy was easily BPA at that point in the draft), and drafting a potential kick returner. Drafting a pure KR late isn't something I thought about before the draft, but it makes a lot of sense.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

To me, it just looks like a purely need-based draft. You managed to fill all the main holes, and you took guys way above where they actually went. It just reminded me of something the Vermeil teams would have done.

Maybe if the Vermeil teams had extra brains grafted onto their shoulders from Nobel prize-winning physicists.

My draft represents the best of America. It would return us to the playoffs this year, and then probably a Super Bowl in 2009 once everything gels.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by penchief

I'm not claiming Connor is better than Rivers. I'm asking Mecca to explain how Connor is a two down back when he appeared to play the pass very well. And the statistics back that up. So did his play on the field.

I thought he would have been a good fit.

Connor could play cover two. Mecca is FOS on this one. This is taken from a recent article...."The Chiefs also considered Penn State linebacker Dan Connor at the 73rd spot but felt they were deeper at that position than running back." Hmmm.
Link...

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10805234/2

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Connor could play cover two. Mecca is FOS on this one. This is taken from a recent article...."The Chiefs also considered Penn State linebacker Dan Connor at the 73rd spot but felt they were deeper at that position than running back." Hmmm.
Link...

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10805234/2

Lacks fluid hips to turn and run in man coverage....A little rigid and mechanical..

That's what I want in my cover 2 MLB who is basically asked to cover 30 yards pretty consistently in pass coverage.

[Brock]

I doubt they were considering Conner as a MLB.

[BigChiefFan]

Connor can play outside, too, but the entire point is, he can play the 4-3. Here's more proof that Mecca is FOS on this and just can't admit it...
Dan Connor, LB, Carolina Panthers: The key to the Panthers defense hinges on the play of the linebackers, and Connor gives them a playmaker to offset the loss of oft-injured Dan Morgan in the middle. Although Connor's position has yet to be defined, his ability to play inside or outside gives defensive coordinator Mike Trgovac the option of sliding Jon Beason over to weak-side linebacker in their base defense. With Connor in the middle flanked by Thomas Davis and Beason on the edges, the Panthers have the speed to clog up running lanes in their 4-3 defense.