Chiefs Tony G speaks to the media - Page 4

**dirk digler** · 10-15-2008, 03:07 PM

From Blob Gretz

Tony G. Speaks About No-Trade

October 15, 2008 - Bob Gretz \|

From the Truman Sports Complex
Tony Gonzalez was back in familiar surroundings on Wednesday, practicing with the Chiefs in their indoor facility and then holding court for the media horde after practice.

Gonzalez spoke to his teammates at their morning meeting, with no coaches in the room at his request.

“I told them the situation, how it occurred what my thought process was behind everything, why I wanted to go and how I thought maybe it could help the team,” Gonzalez said of what he told his teammates. “But now it’s over. So, it’s done with. I’m a Chief now for these next 11 games. I’m concentrating on going out there and trying to be the best player that I can be and help this team win.
“I wanted to make sure; I think most of them know me, the guys that have been around for awhile know what I’m all about. But I wanted to make sure those young guys know that this is about winning football games, about being the best football player you can be. No matter what the situation is, whether you are frustrated or you are extremely happy, you have to go out there and bust your tail every day and try to get better and help this team win.”

He also had plenty to say on various subjects:

-On what the day was like on Tuesday waiting for a trade to be made: “It was a high stress situation. It was a sad situation. It was confusing … it was pretty stressful for myself and my family. I felt this was it. What was told to me, a deal was going to get struck if a team was willing to give up what I thought was necessary for me to get out of here. When it came and when I was somewhat shocked that it didn’t go down.”

-On the status of his relationship now with Carl Peterson: “Who knows. I’m disappointed. In the end it doesn’t matter what our relationship is any more. I’m a Chief and I’m here and I’m here to play.”

-On what was offered for him and whether it sounded like a reasonable deal: “From what I understood, a third round was offered and it didn’t go down that way. If you are going to trade me, that’s what you can expect to get. You are not going to get anything higher. I’m 32 years old. A second-round pick you are not going to get that. Everybody knows that … if they were serious about trading me, I think they would have taken that third-round pick. But that’s just my opinion.”

-On whether the Chiefs were serious about trading him: “A part of me thinks maybe they were just trying to appease me. I don’t know if they were serious. In the end, the way it all went down from what I understand, it didn’t sound like it … if they weren’t serious from the beginning, I wish they would have told me that, because in that case none of this would have even gone down. Just sit there and tell me it’s not going to happen this year.”

-Did he request a trade before the season: “No … I wanted to see how it worked out. Obviously Brodie (Croyle) going down, I think that hurt us definitely. We’ve been snakebit this year too. At that point (before the season) I didn’t see the need too.”

-On what it says about the Chiefs that he wanted out: “I’m not saying anything bad about these guys. I think this team is going in the right direction, I really feel that way. They’ve got some great young talent on this team and they are rebuilding, there’s no doubt about that. These g uys are going to be good in thef uture and we can be good this year, but it takes guys about three years to really get in that groove. That’s how long it took me, so knowing that and knowing I’m not going to be around here in three years … that’s the reason I said if it can help the Chiefs with them going out there and getting a pretty good draft choice for me, and it would help me going out there and playing for a contender this year, that was the whole reason behind it. It’s not that I don’t believe in Herm, or I don’t believe in Carl. They’ve done a good job in my opinion. It’s getting down to the end of the road for me and I had to take that shot.”

-On the ceremony planned to honor him before this Sunday’s game: “That’s probably something I would like to wait until the end of the year. It’s up to them … I think it would be akward in light of what went down this week. Let’s just wait on it. We’ll see what they want to do.”

-Will he ask to be traded again after this season is over: “We’ll see. I can’t answer that question honestly.”

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-15-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

My overall point from the outset was that Carl is pissing off player after player in this organization. That shouldn't sit well with the owner of the team.

And your overall point was correct.

But you were dead wrong in including Allen in that argument.

Sure-Oz · 10-15-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

My overall point from the outset was that Carl is pissing off player after player in this organization. That shouldn't sit well with the owner of the team.

So far it looks like our owner has no balls, and is quiet and conservative. We all know nothing will be said till the season is over.

Micjones · 10-15-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Reading is fundamental.

It is indeed.
Good thing for both of us... I happened to go back and re-read your post.

Yep, those three sacks would be making all the difference right now.

Actually, those two sacks, unless we could have arranged for Cutler to run out of the back of the endzone...

If people can't see that he was just playing for a payday now...

Playing next to two of the best DT's in the league, and the best you can do for $70M is 3 goddamn sacks? And you didn't even have to touch the QB on one of them?

Carl's done a TON of stupid shit, but managing to get 3 draft picks, including a mid-first for an alcoholic with 2 strikes against him isn't on the list.

Where you said nothing about how having him here benefits Hali, our run support, or ability to pressure the QB.

Good job.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-15-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

It is indeed.
Good thing for both of us... I happened to go back and re-read your post.

Yep, those three sacks would be making all the difference right now.

Actually, those two sacks, unless we could have arranged for Cutler to run out of the back of the endzone...

If people can't see that he was just playing for a payday now...

Playing next to two of the best DT's in the league, and the best you can do for $70M is 3 goddamn sacks? And you didn't even have to touch the QB on one of them?

Carl's done a TON of stupid shit, but managing to get 3 draft picks, including a mid-first for an alcoholic with 2 strikes against him isn't on the list.

Where you said nothing about how having him here benefits Hali, our run support, or ability to pressure the QB.

Good job.

Are any of those things, added to a half-assed effort, worth $70M?

Didn't think so.

Micjones · 10-15-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And your overall point was correct.

But you were dead wrong in including Allen in that argument.

We can agree to disagree.
Remember... Allen was agreeable to a new contract with terms that protected the Chiefs from any further violations of the league's substance-abuse policy.

Micjones · 10-15-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Are any of those things, added to a half-assed effort, worth $70M?

Didn't think so.

If you want to argue that he half-assed we can do so.
Don't pretend that I didn't read your post though. I did.
And you diminished Allen's value to this team.
We can argue whether or not it was the right decision all day, but let's not pretend that we wouldn't be in a MUCH better place if he were still here.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-15-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

We can agree to disagree.
Remember... Allen was agreeable to a new contract with terms that protected the Chiefs from any further violations of the league's substance-abuse policy.

Hell, I've taken the two strikes out of the equation all together. And FWIW, Allen MAY have been agreeable to those terms. The player's union and the NFL would not have.

He's not worth $70M to this franchise.

He's showing he's not worth $70M to his CURRENT franchise.

Forget about the other two picks - Branden Albert means more to the future of this team, by merely playing the most important position on the TEAM other than QB - than Jared Allen EVER would have.

When you add two more players to the mix, a $70M paycheck and that 3rd strike looming over his head, it's not even close.

Sure-Oz · 10-15-2008, 03:53 PM

Albert and Dorsey wouldnt have happend as well as Flowers i believe without Allen going, a 4th round pick getting paid big time and now isnt doing much, 2 REAL sacks.

He gets that 3rd strike the chiefs are ****ed

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-15-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

If you want to argue that he half-assed we can do so.
Don't pretend that I didn't read your post though. I did.
And you diminished Allen's value to this team.
We can argue whether or not it was the right decision all day, but let's not pretend that we wouldn't be in a MUCH better place if he were still here.

No, we wouldn't.

Unless you live in a fantasy world where DE's are more important than LT's.

And how am I diminishing his value?

He's doing that all on his own in Minnesota.

His play, with 10X the supporting cast, isn't worth HALF of what he was paid.

What makes you think he would be producing here, with a much less talented supporting cast?

Wishful thinking.

Cornstock · 10-15-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Why does he need to be replaced immediately?

We used one of those picks to draft our LTOTF.

Which is a hell of a lot more important to this team right now.

Going into this past draft, if you gave me the choice between a franchise LT or a franchise DE, I'm taking the LT every single time.

We might have the replacement in the system already being brian johnston. He seems like hes of the same mold as allen was, the tall lean pass rusher type from a smaller school. Plus allen took a few years to really come on, although he showed some spurts of greatness along the way. from the limited action ive seen im not dissapointed in johnston.

Micjones · 10-15-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Hell, I've taken the two strikes out of the equation all together. And FWIW, Allen MAY have been agreeable to those terms. The player's union and the NFL would not have.

Are we certain that the Chiefs couldn't have protected themselves financially in the event of another indiscretion on the part of Allen? I'm not trying to be disagreeable here (I really don't know), but I've never seen concrete evidence that such verbiage in a contract violates NFLPA policy.

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Forget about the other two picks - Branden Albert means more to the future of this team, by merely playing the most important position on the TEAM other than QB - than Jared Allen EVER would have.

He may prove to be. Thus far, we don't know how he'll fare in the NFL.

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When you add two more players to the mix, a $70M paycheck and that 3rd strike looming over his head, it's not even close.

You said "forget about the other two picks".

Defensive Ends of his caliber are certainly worth $70M.

**dirk digler** · 10-15-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Why does he need to be replaced immediately?

We used one of those picks to draft our LTOTF.

Which is a hell of a lot more important to this team right now.

Going into this past draft, if you gave me the choice between a franchise LT or a franchise DE, I'm taking the LT every single time.

yeah but you can't put a DT at DE and expect any results. It was a stupid decision and Herm is now bitching because they have no pass rush.

WELL DUHH...

Micjones · 10-15-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No, we wouldn't.

Unless you live in a fantasy world where DE's are more important than LT's.

I value an elite DE right behind a franchise QB and LT.
And I think we know now that Herb Taylor would've been a suitable successor for McIntosh.
Besides... It's not like there were no other Left Tackles drafted after the First Round.

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What makes you think he would be producing here, with a much less talented supporting cast?

I'm guessing the 15.5 sacks that he amassed with a less talented supporting cast last year?

Micjones · 10-15-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cornstock

We might have the replacement in the system already being brian johnston. He seems like hes of the same mold as allen was, the tall lean pass rusher type from a smaller school. Plus allen took a few years to really come on, although he showed some spurts of greatness along the way. from the limited action ive seen im not dissapointed in johnston.

Not sure if you know, but Allen had 9 sacks in his rookie season.
Johnston hasn't seen much of the field.

Could he be his replacement? Sure. He COULD be.
I wouldn't depend on him to develop into that kind of player though.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-15-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Are we certain that the Chiefs couldn't have protected themselves financially in the event of another indiscretion on the part of Allen? I'm not trying to be disagreeable here (I really don't know), but I've never seen concrete evidence that such verbiage in a contract violates NFLPA policy.

He may prove to be. Thus far, we don't know how he'll fare in the NFL.

You said "forget about the other two picks".

Defensive Ends of his caliber are certainly worth $70M.

Of his caliber?

16 tackles, 3 sacks, in 6 games. And one of those sacks was the biggest gift since Strahan/Favre.

He's on pace for 42 tackles and less than 8 sacks.

Show me the next guy that's going to be paid $70M with that stat line.