Chiefs Chiefs sticking with spread offense? - Page 4

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 08:55 AM

I am sick of talking about Hali and DJ fitting into the 3-4 and whether the Chiefs are going to draft an ILB, a RT or an injured WR.... so, why not bring up something that will make Mecca's head explode.

First, I am not saying the Chiefs will use the spread offense as extensively as they did last year.

However, if you watched the Cards under Haley last year, they used a ton of the spread.

And, if you watched the Pats, Cassel played his best from the shotgun in the spread offense.

For those of you who don't think the spread has much of a future in the NFL... much of what the Pats have run over the last two years has been based on the spread.

In fact, after further examination, I think Cassel and Thigpen's playing style is more similar than it is different. Cassel is clearly more polished and tended to make quicker better reads, and of course is two inches taller.

But, he was more comfortable in the shotgun, similar to Thigpen. He is also a scrambler, similar to Thigpen. And, he was the most comfortable using the spread formation, simialr to Thigpen.

Could the Chiefs have picked him up BECAUSE he will make a good spread QB?

Gailey and Haley are very similar in that they will not force the issue, they will do what their players do best. I think the spread will be a large part of the offensive package utilized in KC.

What I don't know is why the 'spread' has such a negative conotation. Teams have used versions of this in the NFL for a long time.

I have even come up with a name for the offense that I think we will see this year, the 'West Coast Spread'. I believe they will combine many of the pilosophies of the west coast sytem: Larger receivers, shorter passes, slants, etc. I think they will be a primarily zone running team. And, finally, I think that Cassel will see a larger part of the time in the shotgun spread formation.

Now, that I have laid out what I think will happen..... based on nothing more than what I think the talent on the team will be good at as well as what the coaches have done in the past.... you guys can flame me.

Yes... this is a stab in the dark. No, I am not an insider. But, frankly, I would rather get flamed on something new and interesting than continue to argue whether Hali can be an OLB or whether positional value should outweigh actual player evaluation.

**SAUTO** · 03-10-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Randy Moss.

Wes Welker.

Josh McDaniels.

Solid OL play.6th best rushing offense in NFL.

Tell me, how were Cassel and Thigpen similar?

Don't bother responding if all you have is "took snaps from the shotgun."

i watched several games last year and that "solid o line" must not have shown up for them

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Those players made that scheme possible and successful.

Just like Roaf and Holmes made DV's schemese possible and successful.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-10-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Just like Roaf and Holmes made DV's schemese possible and successful.

Agreed.

My point, is that if we're going to fit our scheme to the players we have, we have no business running the spread - unless the offensive roster is completely turned over in the next 5 months.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Agreed.

My point, is that if we're going to fit our scheme to the players we have, we have no business running the spread - unless the offensive roster is completely turned over in the next 5 months.

My point is that this offense is better prepared to be the spread than it is a pro style offense.

I don't think Thigpen was the only reason the Chiefs ran the spread last year.

And, with the spread that both the Cards and Pats ran, I don't see it going away.

RustShack · 03-10-2009, 10:10 AM

Cassel was the #8 QB in the nation coming out of HS where he lined up under center. He went to USC who runs a pro style offense. He was the backup to Heisman trophy winner Carson Palmer who was drafted #1 overall and was also his roomate and best man in his wedding. Cassel almost beat out Matt Leinart in college. He still got some playing time and you would be foolish to think he didn't get any snaps in practice either. He has far more experience running a Pro Style offense than Thigpen does. Cassel also had better NFL coaching than Thigpen has received so far too.

RustShack · 03-10-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

My point is that this offense is better prepared to be the spread than it is a pro style offense.

I don't think Thigpen was the only reason the Chiefs ran the spread last year.

So why do you think they ran it even though we didn't switch to it until Thigpen took over?

kcbubb · 03-10-2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Agreed.

My point, is that if we're going to fit our scheme to the players we have, we have no business running the spread - unless the offensive roster is completely turned over in the next 5 months.

You could argue the exact opposite view because of the offensive line. With an aging Sakintosh and a discontent Waters and without a 2nd round pick; the offensive line is likely to be just as bad or worse than last year. The spread obviously works better with a poor line.

The Chiefs haven't shown an interest thus far in signing any free agent lineman to improve the line.

RustShack · 03-10-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

You could argue the exact opposite view because of the offensive line. With an aging Sakintosh and a discontent Waters and without a 2nd round pick; the offensive line is likely to be just as bad or worse than last year. The spread obviously works better with a poor line.

The Chiefs haven't shown an interest thus far in signing any free agent lineman to improve the line.

ah I didn't realize if you don't sign free agents the first week that you can't improve.

Micjones · 03-10-2009, 10:16 AM

As long as we balance the offense out, run plays from under Center, and establish the ground game I think we should continue to include it in our overall offensive philosophy.

kcbubb · 03-10-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

So why do you think they ran it even though we didn't switch to it until Thigpen took over?

because they finally realized that if they wanted to keep a QB healthy that had better switch to something else, because the QBs were getting killed behind that line.

keg in kc · 03-10-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

The spread obviously works better with a poor line.

Okay then.

RustShack · 03-10-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

because they finally realized that if they wanted to keep a QB healthy that had better switch to something else, because the QBs were getting killed behind that line.

Oh so it had nothing to do with Thigpens mobility and that he sucks from under center.

Chiefs Pantalones · 03-10-2009, 10:20 AM

Change the title of this thread, it looks like it's credible tool.

kcbubb · 03-10-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

ah I didn't realize if you don't sign free agents the first week that you can't improve.

what OL free agents do you think that we are targeting??? I'm not saying that it can't happen. I just haven't seen any reason to believe that the Chiefs are going to sign any free agent lineman that we can believe are really going to make a difference.

If they don't sign some OL in free agency, how can we think that the offensive line play will improve???

beach tribe · 03-10-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Thanks, I needed that.

toast. No problem.

03-10-2009, 08:55 AM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Chiefs sticking with spread offense? I am sick of talking about Hali and DJ fitting into the 3-4 and whether the Chiefs are going to draft an ILB, a RT or an injured WR.... so, why not bring up something that will make Mecca's head explode. First, I am not saying the Chiefs will use the spread offense as extensively as they did last year. However, if you watched the Cards under Haley last year, they used a ton of the spread. And, if you watched the Pats, Cassel played his best from the shotgun in the spread offense. For those of you who don't think the spread has much of a future in the NFL... much of what the Pats have run over the last two years has been based on the spread. In fact, after further examination, I think Cassel and Thigpen's playing style is more similar than it is different. Cassel is clearly more polished and tended to make quicker better reads, and of course is two inches taller. But, he was more comfortable in the shotgun, similar to Thigpen. He is also a scrambler, similar to Thigpen. And, he was the most comfortable using the spread formation, simialr to Thigpen. Could the Chiefs have picked him up BECAUSE he will make a good spread QB? Gailey and Haley are very similar in that they will not force the issue, they will do what their players do best. I think the spread will be a large part of the offensive package utilized in KC. What I don't know is why the 'spread' has such a negative conotation. Teams have used versions of this in the NFL for a long time. I have even come up with a name for the offense that I think we will see this year, the 'West Coast Spread'. I believe they will combine many of the pilosophies of the west coast sytem: Larger receivers, shorter passes, slants, etc. I think they will be a primarily zone running team. And, finally, I think that Cassel will see a larger part of the time in the shotgun spread formation. Now, that I have laid out what I think will happen..... based on nothing more than what I think the talent on the team will be good at as well as what the coaches have done in the past.... you guys can flame me. Yes... this is a stab in the dark. No, I am not an insider. But, frankly, I would rather get flamed on something new and interesting than continue to argue whether Hali can be an OLB or whether positional value should outweigh actual player evaluation.
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