Chiefs Chiefs sticking with spread offense? - Page 2

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 08:55 AM

I am sick of talking about Hali and DJ fitting into the 3-4 and whether the Chiefs are going to draft an ILB, a RT or an injured WR.... so, why not bring up something that will make Mecca's head explode.

First, I am not saying the Chiefs will use the spread offense as extensively as they did last year.

However, if you watched the Cards under Haley last year, they used a ton of the spread.

And, if you watched the Pats, Cassel played his best from the shotgun in the spread offense.

For those of you who don't think the spread has much of a future in the NFL... much of what the Pats have run over the last two years has been based on the spread.

In fact, after further examination, I think Cassel and Thigpen's playing style is more similar than it is different. Cassel is clearly more polished and tended to make quicker better reads, and of course is two inches taller.

But, he was more comfortable in the shotgun, similar to Thigpen. He is also a scrambler, similar to Thigpen. And, he was the most comfortable using the spread formation, simialr to Thigpen.

Could the Chiefs have picked him up BECAUSE he will make a good spread QB?

Gailey and Haley are very similar in that they will not force the issue, they will do what their players do best. I think the spread will be a large part of the offensive package utilized in KC.

What I don't know is why the 'spread' has such a negative conotation. Teams have used versions of this in the NFL for a long time.

I have even come up with a name for the offense that I think we will see this year, the 'West Coast Spread'. I believe they will combine many of the pilosophies of the west coast sytem: Larger receivers, shorter passes, slants, etc. I think they will be a primarily zone running team. And, finally, I think that Cassel will see a larger part of the time in the shotgun spread formation.

Now, that I have laid out what I think will happen..... based on nothing more than what I think the talent on the team will be good at as well as what the coaches have done in the past.... you guys can flame me.

Yes... this is a stab in the dark. No, I am not an insider. But, frankly, I would rather get flamed on something new and interesting than continue to argue whether Hali can be an OLB or whether positional value should outweigh actual player evaluation.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

All offenses are better between the 20s

True, but you do have to admit that a team that uses the spread will have a harder time 'punching' it in at times.

But, the Cards had a good red zone offense and they used the spread quite a bit down there.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-10-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Well, this sucks.... you guys took this WAY better than I expected. I was thinking I was going to get flamed big time. LOL.

I was expecting far more ingorant responses than I have gotten.

Because most people understand that using the spread, or a variation of it - at TIMES, can work with the right players.

However, using the spread, or a variation of it as your base offense - and not being able to run anything else, is begging for failure.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-10-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

True, but you do have to admit that a team that uses the spread will have a harder time 'punching' it in at times.

But, the Cards had a good red zone offense and they used the spread quite a bit down there.

When you have a SB MVP at QB, and 2 all-world WR's, you have the ability to buck the trend. Both the Cards and Patriots have those things.

We don't have the talent to run the spread in the redzone.

**RealSNR** · 03-10-2009, 09:42 AM

The spread will be used by this team at times. It's not going to be an every down thing though, like it was last year with Thigpen post-Atlanta

Demonpenz · 03-10-2009, 09:43 AM

We need better Offensive line play the times we did run there was nothing there 10 yards in, forcing us to throw a jump ball to bowe or TG every play

CrazyHorse · 03-10-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

True, but you do have to admit that a team that uses the spread will have a harder time 'punching' it in at times.

But, the Cards had a good red zone offense and they used the spread quite a bit down there.

Not really. In a sense it's tougher because most teams once inside the 10 run the football. It would be more difficult to run in the shotgun than directly behind center.

However, passing the ball would be easier in a passing situation from the shotgun inside the 20 or the 10.

That said, I dont see the shotgun fromation and the spread offense as the same thing. the shotgun doesn't have to be run from a spread formation.

FringeNC · 03-10-2009, 09:44 AM

The spread can allow teams with poor offensive lines to move the ball between the 20s, as the Chiefs clearly demonstrated last year. However, in the red zone, it's tough to score with a poor offensive line no matter what the offensive formation. The Chiefs sucked in the red zone last year because of a poor offensive line, not because of the spread.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

When you have a SB MVP at QB, and 2 all-world WR's, you have the ability to buck the trend. Both the Cards and Patriots have those things.

We don't have the talent to run the spread in the redzone.

Well, with ANY offense, you have to have certain things.

With DV's and AS's offense, you had to have a premier LT to make it click, and a versatile RB... and a disciplined QB that can get the ball out quick.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-10-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Not really. In a sense it's tougher because most teams once inside the 10 run the football. It would be more difficult to run in the shotgun than directly behind center.

However, passing the ball would be easier in a passing situation from the shotgun inside the 20 or the 10.

That said, I dont see the shotgun fromation and the spread offense as the same thing. the shotgun doesn't have to be run from a spread formation.

I respectfully disagree.

It gets progressively harder to run a passing offense the closer you get to the goal line, because the opposing defense doesn't have to cover as much ground. It's a huge advantage for the defense to only have to cover 20 yards instead of 70. It's an even bigger advantage when the defense knows you can't run the ball, as we witnessed last year.

kcbubb · 03-10-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

I hope we do still run it. The difference between Cassel and Thigpen is one can also play in a Pro Style offense and the other can't. Manning, Brady, Brees, and all the other good QB's use the spread... but they also play from under center like Cassel can.

I think it is a little early to say definitively what Thigpen can or can't do. Last year, Cassel was a guy that hadn't started a game since high school and most thought he couldn't do anything.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Not really. In a sense it's tougher because most teams once inside the 10 run the football. It would be more difficult to run in the shotgun than directly behind center.

However, passing the ball would be easier in a passing situation from the shotgun inside the 20 or the 10.

That said, I dont see the shotgun fromation and the spread offense as the same thing. the shotgun doesn't have to be run from a spread formation.

No, the shotgun doesn't need to be run in the spread. You can run it in any formation.

However, in the spread offense, you nearly always get the ball in the shotgun in the spread formation.

The spread formation is merely getting the defense spread out as much as possible to create separation, AND to force the defense to declare its intentions sooner.

King_Chief_Fan · 03-10-2009, 09:50 AM

The pistol gimmick, spread, protect the QB cause the line sucks offense will still be used in part. The team cannot survive on it alone.

Speaking of defense

what will the team use to stop the other team?

beach tribe · 03-10-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Well, this sucks.... you guys took this WAY better than I expected. I was thinking I was going to get flamed big time. LOL.

I was expecting far more ingorant responses than I have gotten.

Don't worry, we still think your and idiot.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I think it is a little early to say definitively what Thigpen can or can't do. Last year, Cassel was a guy that hadn't started a game since high school and most thought he couldn't do anything.

I do think the bashing of Thigpen is a little premature. Yeah, he still has much to work on, and he wasn't 'great' last year, but he had pretty good numbers on a suspect team, and he was only in year two.

Cassel was in his fourth year with a ton of talent.

I liked the move for Cassel because I don't think you can go wrong trying to stockpile promising young talent at the QB position. But, I won't be totally shocked if Thigpen beats him out.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Don't worry, we still think your and idiot.

Thanks, I needed that.

03-10-2009, 08:55 AM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Chiefs sticking with spread offense? I am sick of talking about Hali and DJ fitting into the 3-4 and whether the Chiefs are going to draft an ILB, a RT or an injured WR.... so, why not bring up something that will make Mecca's head explode. First, I am not saying the Chiefs will use the spread offense as extensively as they did last year. However, if you watched the Cards under Haley last year, they used a ton of the spread. And, if you watched the Pats, Cassel played his best from the shotgun in the spread offense. For those of you who don't think the spread has much of a future in the NFL... much of what the Pats have run over the last two years has been based on the spread. In fact, after further examination, I think Cassel and Thigpen's playing style is more similar than it is different. Cassel is clearly more polished and tended to make quicker better reads, and of course is two inches taller. But, he was more comfortable in the shotgun, similar to Thigpen. He is also a scrambler, similar to Thigpen. And, he was the most comfortable using the spread formation, simialr to Thigpen. Could the Chiefs have picked him up BECAUSE he will make a good spread QB? Gailey and Haley are very similar in that they will not force the issue, they will do what their players do best. I think the spread will be a large part of the offensive package utilized in KC. What I don't know is why the 'spread' has such a negative conotation. Teams have used versions of this in the NFL for a long time. I have even come up with a name for the offense that I think we will see this year, the 'West Coast Spread'. I believe they will combine many of the pilosophies of the west coast sytem: Larger receivers, shorter passes, slants, etc. I think they will be a primarily zone running team. And, finally, I think that Cassel will see a larger part of the time in the shotgun spread formation. Now, that I have laid out what I think will happen..... based on nothing more than what I think the talent on the team will be good at as well as what the coaches have done in the past.... you guys can flame me. Yes... this is a stab in the dark. No, I am not an insider. But, frankly, I would rather get flamed on something new and interesting than continue to argue whether Hali can be an OLB or whether positional value should outweigh actual player evaluation.
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FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1783986	The spread can allow teams with poor offensive lines to move the ball between the 20s, as the Chiefs clearly demonstrated last year. However, in the red zone, it's tough to score with a poor offensive line no matter what the offensive formation. The Chiefs sucked in the red zone last year because of a poor offensive line, not because of the spread.
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King_Chief_Fan Praise Him Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: none ya Casino cash: $4755486	The pistol gimmick, spread, protect the QB cause the line sucks offense will still be used in part. The team cannot survive on it alone. Speaking of defense what will the team use to stop the other team?
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