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Old 06-24-2009, 10:13 AM  
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:30 PM   #46
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Bullshit.

If "guys listened to him", Dwayne Bowe wouldn't have shown up at OTA's 30 pounds overweight.
I've said this before.

Bowe was overweight by Haley's standards, but I believe that Herman ****ing Edwards had a different standard, and Bowe would have been close to the weight that Herman ****ing Edwards wanted him at.

I find it hard to believe that Bowe got out of shape when he spent the offseason working out with Larry Fitzgerald.

I think all this discussion of players being overweight has to be taken with a grain of salt, given the different expectations of Herman ****ing Edwards vs. Haley's expectations.
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:31 PM   #47
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I've said this before.

Bowe was overweight by Haley's standards, but I believe that Herman ****ing Edwards had a different standard, and Bowe would have been close to the weight that Herman ****ing Edwards wanted him at.

I find it hard to believe that Bowe got out of shape when he spent the offseason working out with Larry Fitzgerald.

I think all this discussion of players being overweight has to be taken with a grain of salt, given the different expectations of Herman ****ing Edwards vs. haley's expectations.
Maybe, maybe not.

25-30 pounds is quite a bit of weight. Regardless of "expectations".
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:31 PM   #48
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:39 PM   #49
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Maybe, maybe not.

25-30 pounds is quite a bit of weight. Regardless of "expectations".
When Bowe came into the league, his combine weight was around 215.

With Herman ****ing Edwards here, though, he has been playing at around 225.

I think Haley wants him closer to 205.

So even if he weighed only 5 lbs heavier that what Herman ****ing Edwards wanted him at, he would be right around 25 lbs heavier than Haley wants.
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:54 PM   #50
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Goodbye Bernard Pollard! Best signing of the off-season for the Chiefs
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Old 06-24-2009, 01:08 PM   #51
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Old 06-24-2009, 01:24 PM   #52
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Your verbosity knows no bounds.

Trent Green was pissed and said so on the draft broadcast. He said in print that he was unhappy and shocked that the Chiefs would take a QB with a third round pick.

If he was truly a team player that cared about the team, he wouldn't have tried to force his way back into the lineup when the Chiefs were performing very well on offense under Huard. But of course, that's a different issue.
It's an entirely different issue.

Did Green and Huard proactively reach out to Croyle to help? Yes.

End of discussion.
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Old 06-24-2009, 01:24 PM   #53
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Phenomenal? How so?

He's 31. He hasn't played a 16 game season since 2003.

2008: 15 games
2007: 1 games
2006: 6 games
2005: 12 games
2004: 2 games

The guy might not even make it out of training camp.
This is what I was thinking. How can this be the best off season signing with that record?
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Old 06-24-2009, 01:27 PM   #54
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This is a good signing as long as we didn't give him a big contract. When he's healthy he is a pretty big upgrade over Pollard. When he's not healthy it gives our young safeties a chance to still play. If he is a veteran that actually helps teach the young guys then it's a fantastic signing.
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This is what I was thinking. How can this be the best off season signing with that record?
Watch the video. He's a play maker how many of those do the Chiefs have on defense?
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This is what I was thinking. How can this be the best off season signing with that record?
Yeah, I don't agree with that wording.

Best signing? No. Good signing? I think so. High risk, high potential reward. If Brown is healthy, we have ourselves a star. If he isn't, we scrap him. And all the while, he helps us on special teams.

And by the way, I still can't stand the hate for Jon McGraw. Scott Pioli and Todd Haley, not Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards, decided that he was good enough to stay on the roster. It no longer has anything to do with favoritism. He's a decent backup and a great special teams player. I have no problem keeping a roster spot for a guy like that.
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Old 06-24-2009, 01:35 PM   #57
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Your verbosity knows no bounds.

Trent Green was pissed and said so on the draft broadcast. He said in print that he was unhappy and shocked that the Chiefs would take a QB with a third round pick.

If he was truly a team player that cared about the team, he wouldn't have tried to force his way back into the lineup when the Chiefs were performing very well on offense under Huard. But of course, that's a different issue.
I'll shorten it for you then.

You say young players do not listen to veterans, therefore mentorship doesn't exist.

WRONG. There's direct mentorship, as when Tony G proactively met with Thigpen after every practice. There's followership, as when Cassel picked up Brady's work ethic by shadowing him. And there's indirect leadership, as when rookie QBs learn to think like veteran QBs and players start to practice like experienced veterans. And then you have guys like LJ throwing a shit fit when T-Rich isn't re-signed.
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It's an entirely different issue.

Did Green and Huard proactively reach out to Croyle to help? Yes.
No. And he also requested a trade because he wasn't just handed the starting gig in 2007.

Did you just start following the Chiefs in 2009?
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It's about setting examples. How to prepare, how to win. etc. These are grown men. Nobody expects them to be big brothering them. Especially when they are ultimately going to replace them.
This. Careers are short in the NFL, so this "taking under the wing" stuff is likely overblown.

As Trent Green put it, "that's what coaches are for".

Now, certainly having your competition busting their ass with preparation will force the younger guys to follow suit.
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