Chiefs Fixing this mess - Page 4

**Rain Man** · 10-12-2009, 12:56 AM

Let's put players into one of four buckets over the next five years:

Group 1. Young, ascending, and will be in or near their prime in five years

QB (Cassel)
WR (Bowe)
T (Albert)
K (Succop)
P (Colquitt)
CB (Flowers)
CB (Carr)
ILB (Mays)
DE (Jackson)
DE (Dorsey)

Group 2. At their peak now, but will be past their prime in five years.

WR (Bradley)
TE (Ryan)
FS (Page)
ILB (Williams)

Group 3. Young, ascending, but probably not a long term answer
FB (Cox)
T (O'Callaghan)
C (Niswanger)
KR/PR (Charles)
OLB (Hali)

Group 4. Past their peak now and will be retired in five years.
HB (Johnson)
G (Waters)
G (Goff)
SS (Brown)
OLB (Vrabel)
NT (Edwards)

You can agree or disagree with me about the buckets, but based on what I see right now, we need to replace/upgrade at least 6 positions (Group 4) just to break even. To improve, about 15 positions to be replaced (Groups 2, 3, and 4), and that's not assuming any injuries in Group 1. This means getting 3 quality starters every year, which may be possible, but would be difficult.

If we did that on a regular basis, this means that we'd have to have upgrades like this (roughly)

2010 - G, OLB, NT
2011 - G, HB, SS
2012 - C, T, WR
2013 - FB, OLB, KR/PR
2014 - FS, ILB, TE
...and assume that everyone in Group 1 continues to do well.

This seems like a tall order.

**HemiEd** · 10-12-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

The Chiefs also need to find some pass-rushers in a bad way, because in only 5 games, they have 6 sacks as a team.

Well that is a huge improvement over last year. Spending the first two picks on DEs must be paying off.

**Dave Lane** · 10-12-2009, 02:36 PM

Pioli says:

"Put your confidence in us. Give us your faith and your blessing, and under Providence all will be well. We shall not fail or falter. We shall not weaken or tire. Neither the sudden shock of battle nor the long-drawn trials of vigilance and exertion will wear us down. Give us the tools and we will finish the job."

or maybe that was Churchill...

**Dave Lane** · 10-12-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

No, no, I am retaining my faith. It's kind of like the Battle of Britain, though, where Churchill is in the bunker trying to figure out next steps and Lend-Lease and how to get rid of the V-1's and how many people actually got out of Dunkirk.

Here you go the full transcript for Rain Man

philfree · 10-12-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't trust a guy like Julius Peppers. He hasn't been the same player for a while, and he's a really undisciplined player. If you watched the MNF game they had against the Cowboys, he repeatedly lost outside containment because he was crashing down so hard. That's just an inexcusable mistake for a 9th year player.

He definitely has the athleticism to play standing up, but I worry about how coachable and how motivated he would be coming off of a big payday. Look at his stats over the last 5 years. There's a lot of shit sandwiched around one good year.

If we want to fix the ILB, I would take a long hard look at Thomas Davis. He's an excellent cover backer, and he can make plays in the backfield and passing game.

I don't know if they are coming free, but DeMeco Ryans, Lofa Tatupu are other option, if they haven't reupped.

That's who I wanted before DJ fell "to us"?. Maybe it was on us.

PhilFree

**Dave Lane** · 10-12-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

That's who I wanted before DJ fell "to us"?. Maybe it was on us.

PhilFree

He was gone before we picked...

philfree · 10-12-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

He was gone before we picked...

Leading up to the draft.

PhilFree

10-12-2009, 12:56 AM
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1828491 VARSITY	Fixing this mess Let's put players into one of four buckets over the next five years: Group 1. Young, ascending, and will be in or near their prime in five years QB (Cassel) WR (Bowe) T (Albert) K (Succop) P (Colquitt) CB (Flowers) CB (Carr) ILB (Mays) DE (Jackson) DE (Dorsey) Group 2. At their peak now, but will be past their prime in five years. WR (Bradley) TE (Ryan) FS (Page) ILB (Williams) Group 3. Young, ascending, but probably not a long term answer FB (Cox) T (O'Callaghan) C (Niswanger) KR/PR (Charles) OLB (Hali) Group 4. Past their peak now and will be retired in five years. HB (Johnson) G (Waters) G (Goff) SS (Brown) OLB (Vrabel) NT (Edwards) You can agree or disagree with me about the buckets, but based on what I see right now, we need to replace/upgrade at least 6 positions (Group 4) just to break even. To improve, about 15 positions to be replaced (Groups 2, 3, and 4), and that's not assuming any injuries in Group 1. This means getting 3 quality starters every year, which may be possible, but would be difficult. If we did that on a regular basis, this means that we'd have to have upgrades like this (roughly) 2010 - G, OLB, NT 2011 - G, HB, SS 2012 - C, T, WR 2013 - FB, OLB, KR/PR 2014 - FS, ILB, TE ...and assume that everyone in Group 1 continues to do well. This seems like a tall order.
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