GBN Report: 2010 SENIOR BOWL GAME REVIEW

[Tribal Warfare]

2010 SENIOR BOWL GAME REVIEW

[aturnis]

Hell, look at this. These guys have adjusted the stats so that a player who is not at fault does not take fault for a sack. link

It says Branden Albert was only truly responsible for 6 sacks on the season. Not only that, but it also says that the Oline was responsible for 31 of the 42(?) sacks. Cassel and Haley take the blame for the rest.

Also, found this from a poster over at Walterforums. Interesting breakdown.

Basically breaks down # of sacks per team, then adds the % of pass vs. run plays.

The average team gave up 34.25 sacks this season. The Chiefs gave up 8 more than the average, ranking 25th in pass blocking proficiency.

6 sacks came from LT
6 from the TE's (These guys were obviously over matched)
5 to the RG spot (definitely needs to be addressed, on the team or not. Smith/Harris/Brown?)
4 the right tackles
4 from RB/FB (Already been upgraded by cutting LJ who allowed 3)
4 from Wade Smith (played too many spots to be lumped in at one spot)
1 to Rudy Niswanger (bit of a surprise, make me ? their stats a little)
1 to Brian Waters


So with a better OC, better QB play(assuming Weis can help Cassel speed up his reads), better RB play(which had already come into effect at the latter half of the season) and better TE play(Don't deny it, it's not a sexy position, but a good TE would really help this offense block and move the chains) Those numbers could easily come down below average.

Like I said in previous posts, I'm willing to give Albert another year. His should be the hardest spot to play and therefore the hardest to learn and adjust to. The new offense should have affected him the most.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Hell, look at this. These guys have adjusted the stats so that a player who is not at fault does not take fault for a sack. link

It says Branden Albert was only truly responsible for 6 sacks on the season. Not only that, but it also says that the Oline was responsible for 31 of the 42(?) sacks. Cassel and Haley take the blame for the rest.

Also, found this from a poster over at Walterforums. Interesting breakdown.

Basically breaks down # of sacks per team, then adds the % of pass vs. run plays.

The average team gave up 34.25 sacks this season. The Chiefs gave up 8 more than the average, ranking 25th in pass blocking proficiency.

6 sacks came from LT
6 from the TE's (These guys were obviously over matched)
5 to the RG spot (definitely needs to be addressed, on the team or not. Smith/Harris/Brown?)
4 the right tackles
4 from RB/FB (Already been upgraded by cutting LJ who allowed 3)
4 from Wade Smith (played too many spots to be lumped in at one spot)
1 to Rudy Niswanger (bit of a surprise, make me ? their stats a little)
1 to Brian Waters


So with a better OC, better QB play(assuming Weis can help Cassel speed up his reads), better RB play(which had already come into effect at the latter half of the season) and better TE play(Don't deny it, it's not a sexy position, but a good TE would really help this offense block and move the chains) Those numbers could easily come down below average.

Like I said in previous posts, I'm willing to give Albert another year. His should be the hardest spot to play and therefore the hardest to learn and adjust to. The new offense should have affected him the most.

The number for Rudy Niswanger isn't really surprising, given that anytime that Cassel even sniffed pressure up the middle, he stated moving, almost always before it was actually necessary.

[DeezNutz]

Coming out, Hali was considered a high-motor player who was pretty polished but possessed limited upside.

Surprise. The evaluations were correct.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by aturnis

That's funny. How he didn't play this year, and you want to pretend like he helped the Saints to a Superbowl. Too funny.

Are you ****ing reeruned? I said he was on IR for the season. He was, however, a first round pick of the Saints and was their starting LT before getting injured. All the previous guy wanted to know was how many 1st round draft picks the two teams had. I obliged him by letting him know that the Saints had one, with the caveat that he was on IR.

Also, Branden Alberts play progressed as the season went along.

The Buffalo game was his second worst performance of the season by a long shot.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Are you ****ing reeruned? I said he was on IR for the season. He was, however, a first round pick of the Saints and was their starting LT before getting injured. All the previous guy wanted to know was how many 1st round draft picks the two teams had. I obliged him by letting him know that the Saints had one, with the caveat that he was on IR.

I knew how many they had. The fact that neither of them have ONE starting lineman that was drafted in round 1 is what I was going for, you ****ing genius.

You proved my point. Thank you.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Are you ****ing reeruned? I said he was on IR for the season. He was, however, a first round pick of the Saints and was their starting LT before getting injured. All the previous guy wanted to know was how many 1st round draft picks the two teams had. I obliged him by letting him know that the Saints had one, with the caveat that he was on IR.

Not only are you an obsessed dumbass, you're an intellectually dishonest prick.

[Mr. Laz]

where do you guys get all the fuggin energy to argue endlessly about this crap??





i must seriously be getting old

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Laz

where do you guys get all the fuggin energy to argue endlessly about this crap??





i must seriously be getting old

Come on, Laz.

You're 10 years younger than I am?

More?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by milkman

Not only are you an obsessed dumbass, you're an intellectually dishonest prick.

**** you Milk. The douche asked me if any of the teams had a first round draft pick at offensive line. Period.

I answered "Jamaal Brown.", with the caveat of him being on IR the whole year. How is that in any way dishonest? I gave him the one guy that was a first round draft pick, with the qualifier that he was hurt the whole season.

And I'm the prick? For providing the information exactly how he wanted it?

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I wonder if you watched anything other than the Senior Bowl practices. Hali was dominant at Penn State and was considered a more likely first round pick than Graham is right now. Yes, he did have a very good Senior Bowl, and a very nice 2009 season, but it wasn't drastically better (one could validly argue that it wasn't better) than what Hali put in during his senior year at the exact same position. Plus the fact that Hali has a couple of inches in height over Graham.

But I'm waiting with bated breath for your comparison between the two showing why Graham is substantially superior to Hali was at the same stage of their careers. I mean, you are insinuating that you have watched a shit ton more college games than I have, so, please, give your detailed analysis on the differences between the two based on your extensive viewing experience of Tamba Hali and Daniel Graham during their college playing days.

Jesus dude. I watched every game Hali and Graham played in college.. and though I am a big fan of Hali.. to equate the two takes a level of ingnorance that is ridiculous.

Let's break it down very simply... would you SERIOUSLY take Hali over Lamarr Woodley? (if so.. you may actually qualify as functionally reeruned...)... Graham is Woodley part 2... PERIOD. HE matured in the same system.. learned everything he could from Woodley.. is physicaly (minus 1 inch) the same man... and has similar stats... so, I ask again... would you take Hali over Woodley?

If you answer Hali you are either a moron or dishonest.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Jesus dude. I watched every game Hali and Graham played in college.. and though I am a big fan of Hali.. to equate the two takes a level of ingnorance that is ridiculous.

Let's break it down very simply... would you SERIOUSLY take Hali over Lamarr Woodley? (if so.. you may actually qualify as functionally reeruned...)... Graham is Woodley part 2... PERIOD. HE matured in the same system.. learned everything he could from Woodley.. is physicaly (minus 1 inch) the same man... and has similar stats... so, I ask again... would you take Hali over Woodley?

If you answer Hali you are either a moron or dishonest.

Oh, for Christ's sake...

Graham is not Woodley. Graham is Graham. He's not Hali, he's not Woodley, he is who he is. And he didn't mature into the same system. He is a product of Rodiguez's fun bunch defense that most likely won't be around...perhaps even next year. And I'm not blaming him for that...he's a nice player. But he's a short (by todays standard) defensive end that's never really been asked to do anything other than go get the quarterback. I won't go into why he isn't Lamaar because you won't hear it, and you'll probably get pissed about any Tamba Hali comparisons.

My take is that the guy wouldn't be capable of playing anything other than the rush ROLB spot, and doesn't give you anything more than Hali is already providing. Other than Flowers and Charles, Hali had the most successful year of any Chief and you want to replace him with a shorter version of himself that would be a rookie, with a rookie learning curve? *sigh*

You couldn't play Graham on the SAM side as he lacks the hip turn and backpedal and sideline to sideline burst...you might be able to get away with him as a Mike, but I doubt it as he'd be a liability in mid-zone coverage, so all he really could do in a 3-4 is the ROLB spot. And...eh, okay...let's draft him. Because Albert is doing well enough that he needs to stay at LT, but Hali had a craptasitic season so we should burn our first second round pick on a guy like Graham. Because of all positions on the Chiefs, Hali is the one guy that stands out as being a slackadasical pussbag that needs immediate replacement.

Super duper.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Oh, for Christ's sake...

Graham is not Woodley. Graham is Graham. He's not Hali, he's not Woodley, he is who he is. And he didn't mature into the same system. He is a product of Rodiguez's fun bunch defense that most likely won't be around...perhaps even next year. And I'm not blaming him for that...he's a nice player. But he's a short (by todays standard) defensive end that's never really been asked to do anything other than go get the quarterback. I won't go into why he isn't Lamaar because you won't hear it, and you'll probably get pissed about any Tamba Hali comparisons.

My take is that the guy wouldn't be capable of playing anything other than the rush ROLB spot, and doesn't give you anything more than Hali is already providing. Other than Flowers and Charles, Hali had the most successful year of any Chief and you want to replace him with a shorter version of himself that would be a rookie, with a rookie learning curve? *sigh*

You couldn't play Graham on the SAM side as he lacks the hip turn and backpedal and sideline to sideline burst...you might be able to get away with him as a Mike, but I doubt it as he'd be a liability in mid-zone coverage, so all he really could do in a 3-4 is the ROLB spot. And...eh, okay...let's draft him. Because Albert is doing well enough that he needs to stay at LT, but Hali had a craptasitic season so we should burn our first second round pick on a guy like Graham. Because of all positions on the Chiefs, Hali is the one guy that stands out as being a slackadasical pussbag that needs immediate replacement.

Super duper.

and, you obviously don't watch college football. bye.

There is so much ignorance in this post that I after this response I need to move to the next topic and hopefully not have to remind you of how idiotic you are being in this regard later.

To recap..

#1 his name is BRANDON Graham, not Daniel. ( I let this slide a few posts back)
#2 He spent his first year learning from Woodley... in a Lloyd Carr U-M team. And the next year under Carr again... (you REALLY don't watch college football do you?)
#3 What the **** is the Rich Rod "fun bunch" ? are you ****ing high? please elaborate upon this pulled out of your ass posit...
#4 you won't go into why he isn't Woodley because you CAN'T... please try... Woodley says Graham is Woodley, Graham says he is, damn near every scout says he is.. (except a few say he is Dumervil) ... his coaches say he is... but PLEASE explain why YOU know better than someone who has watched EVERY game both players have played(me) and every credible scout I have read.... if you have facts, tape, ANYTHING .. I'd love to hear it.
#5 your analysis of Graham is laughable at best... once again, please tell me which GAMES (not youtube clips) you have watched of him...

Lastly... IF you could pull your head out of your ass for a second and ADMIT that Graham is very likely a Woodley clone... can you HONESTLY say you wouldn't take Woodley(part 2) in a heartbeat with our 2a pick?(and feel you got a steal)

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Lastly... IF you could pull your head out of your ass for a second and ADMIT that Graham is very likely a Woodley clone... can you HONESTLY say you wouldn't take Woodley(part 2) in a heartbeat with our 2a pick?(and feel you got a steal)

Why wouldn't you take a Lamarr Woodley with your round 1 pick? 10+ sacks a year when starting.

[BossChief]

If Graham, Iupati and Cody are all on the board at 2a, who would you guys take?

Im taking Graham and trying like hell to package Atls 2b and other picks to move up to take either of the others.

[DrRyan]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If Graham, Iupati and Cody are all on the board at 2a, who would you guys take?

I would probably take Graham. But, I would like to see how he does at his pro day standing up instead of from a three point stance. Admittedly, I did not see him play much at Michigan this year(some in the ND and OSU games).