Combine Winners and Losers

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Myron Rolle ran a 4.69, I don't care if he's the smartest man on the planet, that's way to slow.

Its a slow track.

Is that time "official"?

I would like to hear what he runs on his proday and if we bring him in for a workout.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Its a slow track.

Is that time "official"?

I would like to hear what he runs on his proday and if we bring him in for a workout.

How about that he was also excessively stiff in all of the position drills?

People say Mays is stiff and doesn't change direction well, Rolle made him look godlike at it...

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by Mecca

How about that he was also excessively stiff in all of the position drills?

People say Mays is stiff and doesn't change direction well, Rolle made him look godlike at it...

Rolle was bad also, but Mays has a problem with change of direction and when you play Safety, COD is a necessity on every single play. I like Mays, but today showed why he is not the top Safety. Not nearly as fluid as Berry or Thomas for that matter.

[BossChief]

That defense in NE has sustained a high ranking because of the investment early on in the DL.

Shit that defense won championships without pass rushers because they had a DL that could take over games. Hopefully, we have exactly that once we add a true NT into the mix and get us some backers.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BossChief

That defense in NE has sustained a high ranking because of the investment early on in the DL.

Shit that defense won championships without pass rushers because they had a DL that could take over games. Hopefully, we have exactly that once we add a true NT into the mix and get us some backers.

The Patriots won 0 Super Bowls with Wilfork as starter and one with Warren.

As their LBs and secondary aged, their defense declined precipitously.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Patriots won 0 Super Bowls with Wilfork as starter and one with Warren.

As their LBs and secondary aged, their defense declined precipitously.

The Patriots won the 2004 superbowl (that was Wilforks rookie year and Romeos last in NE FTR) He started the second half of the season and did so start in the superbowl.

http://www.patriots.com/search/index...=11016&pcid=41

Warren was there for the 2003 and 2004 superbowl. (thats 2 buddy, though I dont think he started in his first superbowl I know he started in the 2004 one from the article I linked)

You cant deflect that a lot of the best teams in the NFL spend a lot of first rounders on their DL and more specifically their run defense.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BossChief

The Patriots won the 2004 superbowl (that was Wilforks rookie year and Romeos last in NE FTR) He started the second half of the season and did so start in the superbowl.

http://www.patriots.com/search/index...=11016&pcid=41

Warren was there for the 2003 and 2004 superbowl. (thats 2 buddy, though I dont think he started in his first superbowl I know he started in the 2004 one from the article I linked)

You cant deflect that a lot of the best teams in the NFL spend a lot of first rounders on their DL and more specifically their run defense.

No, most NFL teams spend first rounders on pass rushers, not Tyson Jacksons.

Yes, it's an important position from the perspective of the run defense of a 3-4, and yes its value will increase as more teams run the 3-4, but you were putting words in my mouth by assuming that they didn't spend picks on DL. I didn't.

What I said was that New England won their Super Bowls when all of the linemen who are there now were not major contributors.

You don't have to have 3 1st rounders on your DL to be successful, and that's born out by the fact that NE's defense has been worse since those players have become better.

They aren't a panacea.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by BossChief

That defense in NE has sustained a high ranking because of the investment early on in the DL.

Shit that defense won championships without pass rushers because they had a DL that could take over games. Hopefully, we have exactly that once we add a true NT into the mix and get us some backers.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Patriots won 0 Super Bowls with Wilfork as starter and one with Warren.

As their LBs and secondary aged, their defense declined precipitously.

Originally Posted by BossChief

The Patriots won the 2004 superbowl (that was Wilforks rookie year and Romeos last in NE FTR) He started the second half of the season and did so start in the superbowl.

http://www.patriots.com/search/index...=11016&pcid=41

Warren was there for the 2003 and 2004 superbowl. (thats 2 buddy, though I dont think he started in his first superbowl I know he started in the 2004 one from the article I linked)

You cant deflect that a lot of the best teams in the NFL spend a lot of first rounders on their DL and more specifically their run defense.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, most NFL teams spend first rounders on pass rushers, not Tyson Jacksons.

Yes, it's an important position from the perspective of the run defense of a 3-4, and yes its value will increase as more teams run the 3-4, but you were putting words in my mouth by assuming that they didn't spend picks on DL. I didn't.

What I said was that New England won their Super Bowls when all of the linemen who are there now were not major contributors.

You don't have to have 3 1st rounders on your DL to be successful, and that's born out by the fact that NE's defense has been worse since those players have become better.

They aren't a panacea.

All I did was correct the errors in the post, if that was taken as putting words in your mouth I do apologize.

All Im saying is that this defense doesnt look to its pass rush as a reason they are consistently good, its their run defense. Over the last ten years they have only had two players (3 counting Tull banta cain last year) get double digit sacks. Its built on run defense from the inside out with versatile players.

If they decide to draft a LOLB they likely wont target the best pass rusher, more so the best run defender that can cover.

I know its not flashy, but its what to expect.

[Mecca]

He shouldn't be, Berry and Thomas are CB sized and probably could play CB, Mays isn't just like when you get that "he's not good in man" of course not look at the size of him.

Mays actually looked better today, he flipped his hips really well, the only thing that is a bit sketchy on him is his backpedal isn't very natural but playing safety that shouldn't be to much of an issue.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He shouldn't be, Berry and Thomas are CB sized and probably could play CB, Mays isn't just like when you get that "he's not good in man" of course not look at the size of him.

Mays actually looked better today, he flipped his hips really well, the only thing that is a bit sketchy on him is his backpedal isn't very natural but playing safety that shouldn't be to much of an issue.

He was very slow in his back pedal. His hips aren't perfect, but proper coaching should help I think. He needs to go to a predominantly zone defense. The fact that Berry and Thomas can play CB only raises their stock because it shows they are versatile, and Berry can actually play all 4 positions as a DB. He did it at Tennessee all the time. I think Pete Carroll falls in love with Mays though.

[Mecca]

Berry is a better prospect, Thomas is really kinda iffy, he's really small, might just be a CB, doesn't play the run very well.

Thomas has nice INT stats but the question becomes really is he just a CB?

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Berry is a better prospect, Thomas is really kinda iffy, he's really small, might just be a CB, doesn't play the run very well.

Thomas has nice INT stats but the question becomes really is he just a CB?

Thomas can probably play either, but I won't be surprised if CB suits him better. I need to work on my mock....

[eazyb81]

PFW is the only place I've seen Weatherspoon listed as a combine loser.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...ers-and-losers

OLB Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
For as well as Weatherspoon worked out on the field and for as much as his "character" is praised within the Missouri program, he has turned off a number of decision makers just as much with his outlandish, look-at-me, loudmouth personality and has been criticized for worrying too much about his image and post-football career aspirations before he has accomplished anything in the National Football League. "He never shuts up," one top executive said. "He was the loudest guy in the room for the bench press. He gives me a headache. I think he is full of (it). It's all about himself. I don't want him in my locker room."

[L.A. Chieffan]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

PFW is the only place I've seen Weatherspoon listed as a combine loser.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...ers-and-losers

OLB Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
For as well as Weatherspoon worked out on the field and for as much as his "character" is praised within the Missouri program, he has turned off a number of decision makers just as much with his outlandish, look-at-me, loudmouth personality and has been criticized for worrying too much about his image and post-football career aspirations before he has accomplished anything in the National Football League. "He never shuts up," one top executive said. "He was the loudest guy in the room for the bench press. He gives me a headache. I think he is full of (it). It's all about himself. I don't want him in my locker room."

whoever that "top executive" is should be ****ing fired

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

whoever that "top executive" is should be ****ing fired

It's ironic that my first thought was "that sounds like something Pioli or Haley would say..."

Shut your mouth and do as I say, meat patty.