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Old 09-05-2010, 07:06 PM   #1
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I've been clowning AP members over this for an hour.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/9...ed-to#comments

They will defend Pioli to the last breath.
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Old 09-05-2010, 07:15 PM   #2
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I've been clowning AP members over this for an hour.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/9...ed-to#comments

They will defend Pioli to the last breath.
As soon as I got to the spot where the guy says Stafford is "average" and called guys like Cushing, Raji and Crabtree nothing special, I stopped reading.

That site is full of complete idiots.
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Old 09-05-2010, 07:30 PM   #3
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Yet that draft has 5 starters...you get 5 starters out of any draft it's good.

The Chiefs most likely won't have 5 starters out of these last 2 drafts combined, ponder that.
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Old 09-05-2010, 07:45 PM   #4
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Yet that draft has 5 starters...you get 5 starters out of any draft it's good.

The Chiefs most likely won't have 5 starters out of these last 2 drafts combined, ponder that.
Eh they wouldn't have 5 starters if they had the standard 7 picks that year which is my point. Still though should we compare Charles to Kris Wilson since he's only really a part time player? Theres no doubt Pioli ****ed up last draft but i've been impressed with this years rookies so far.
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:41 PM   #5
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Yet that draft has 5 starters...you get 5 starters out of any draft it's good.

The Chiefs most likely won't have 5 starters out of these last 2 drafts combined, ponder that.
Nobody doubts that 2009 sucked ass.

But out of 2010, Berry and Asamoah are pretty much surefire starters. Kendrick Lewis and Tony Moeaki could start as soon as this season. And Javier Arenas and Dexter McCluster will likely contribute to about a starter level.

To say that this draft is going to yield 2 starters or less is the definition of misleading. 4-5 of those guys will have a significant role with this team and 1 of those guys could on the very big "if" he stays healthy.
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:48 PM   #6
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But out of 2010, Berry and Asamoah are pretty much surefire starters.
The ONLY guy who looks like a starter now is Berry. Asamoah had a lousy preseason. He should have challenged for a starting job.

The rest of these guys have a lot to prove before they "resemble surefire starters." Especially, Moeaki, the one-catch, injury-prone wonder.
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:53 PM   #7
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The ONLY guy who looks like a starter now is Berry. Asamoah had a lousy preseason. He should have challenged for a starting job.

The rest of these guys have a lot to prove before they "resemble surefire starters." Especially, Moeaki, the one-catch, injury-prone wonder.
Surefire isn't the right word, but I think most feel pretty sure that he'll get his shit together and start. If not this year, then next year. I'm just commenting on Mecca's post that we'll likely only have 2 starters out of 2009 and 2010. If we're only talking about 2010 alone, there's a decent enough chance we could end up w/3-4 starters... and that's not including Arenas and McCluster, who aren't exactly backups--far from it. Moeaki's got a lot to prove, but I think Kendrick Lewis has proven quite a bit. He better be starting over McGraw.

Just pointing out how misleading mecca's comment was.
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:55 PM   #8
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I think most feel pretty sure that he'll get his shit together and start. If not this year, then next year.
Based on what, sheer hope?

McCluster and Arenas look exactly like backups right now.

McCluster looks like a backup running back who can't hack it as a slot wide receiver, which still wouldn't be a starting position, but would be enough to justify his draft position.

Arenas looks like a backup corner who is a good punt returner.

Lewis, if he starts, will only start because we have shit at safety.
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Old 09-05-2010, 07:57 PM   #9
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Wish they'd gotten more out of '09, but they didn't. Looks like Jackson and Succop are it out of that class. They may have 5 starters out of the last draft, though, if Moeaki manages to get and stay healthy, with Barry, McCluster, Asamoah, Moeaki and Lewis, and Arenas as nickel corner is already essentially a starter, too. I would be surprised if they weren't all playing significant time by the end of the year. I think Sheffield has a chance, as well, further down the road. As much as I didn't like '09 (and I didn't like anything about '09) I really like what they did this year.
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Old 09-06-2010, 01:30 AM   #10
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Wish they'd gotten more out of '09, but they didn't. Looks like Jackson and Succop are it out of that class. They may have 5 starters out of the last draft, though, if Moeaki manages to get and stay healthy, with Barry, McCluster, Asamoah, Moeaki and Lewis, and Arenas as nickel corner is already essentially a starter, too. I would be surprised if they weren't all playing significant time by the end of the year. I think Sheffield has a chance, as well, further down the road. As much as I didn't like '09 (and I didn't like anything about '09) I really like what they did this year.
It was offered up as an excuse at the time, and history would seem to suggest it was true... in '09, we were working mostly with the draft info from the former regime's scouting staff/reports. In '10, we finally were able to have in place a full scouting staff from Pioli for a full draft season.

If that is in fact the case, and the '09 draft was indeed a horrible bust, that doesn't necessarily mean that Pioli = horrible bust. Not at all, in fact.
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Old 09-06-2010, 02:04 AM   #11
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As soon as I got to the spot where the guy says Stafford is "average" and called guys like Cushing, Raji and Crabtree nothing special, I stopped reading.

That site is full of complete idiots.
Just flippin ya a little shit, but I remember you saying how you would have rather taken Darius Heyward Bey over Crabtree before the draft.

There are a lot of idiots on that site, but everyone makes mistakes.

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Yet that draft has 5 starters...you get 5 starters out of any draft it's good.

The Chiefs most likely won't have 5 starters out of these last 2 drafts combined, ponder that.
I bet by years end that at least 6 players from the last two drafts are solid starters for us.

Jackson (never will live up to his draft position, but will play solid football for us by the end of the year IMO under this coaching staff)
Succop (tied the NFL rookie record for field goal accuracy, missed NO kicks under 40 yards and only one kick all year under 50 yards. 2-5 from 50+)
Berry
Lewis
Moeaki
Asamoah

DMC and Arenas will both play more than half the snaps and play pivotal roles for us on special teams as well.

The like the 10 draft class as much as I dislike the 09 draft class.
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The like the 10 draft class as much as I dislike the 09 draft class.
This. 09 was a great opportunity missed. A lot of folks blame the bad 09 draft on the fact that Pioli did not have his own scouts. If that were really the case, then (in retrospect of course) we would have done a hell of a lot better if he had traded all of the 09 draft picks to other teams for '10 picks. He could have almost fill all our holes in one ('10) draft.

I wonder if there is ANY GM in the NFL with balls to do something out of the box like that.
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Moeaki looks awesome. He had the best 1-catch preseason in the history of the NFL.
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Moeaki looks awesome. He had the best 1-catch preseason in the history of the NFL.
I think I missed his one catch.

He's an enigma. I heard all through OTAs and camp how great he was and then he's hurt. Maybe he's the new Bigfoot, reports of sightings but I never get to witness it myself.
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I think I missed his one catch.

He's an enigma. I heard all through OTAs and camp how great he was and then he's hurt. Maybe he's the new Bigfoot, reports of sightings but I never get to witness it myself.
This guy's got nothin' on Bigfoot.

He's more like the Loch Ness Monster.
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