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Old 02-10-2011, 05:18 PM  
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Jovan Belcher, a gem found in the rough ?
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ESPN.com's Bill Williamson and Scouts Inc.'s Matt Williamson believe the Chiefs have found a "gem" in ILB Jovan Belcher.

Belcher was primarily a special teamer as an undrafted rookie in 2009. He graduated to full-time starter in 2010, racking up 84 tackles. "He's a heavier guy who is a good banger in the 3-4 defense," Matt Williamson said. "He seems like a hard-nosed guy who has made the best of opportunity." Expect Belcher to remain in the same role next season.
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:13 PM   #46
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so he obviously wasn't playing at 250, and 230 is his natural weight


thanks fake football guy.....for making every thread you post in smell like fart
The issue is that people are using his weight to suggest that he's undersized.

The reason I actually believe Guardian on this is that there's no way he takes on Fullbacks the way he did if he's only 228. There's no reason to believe that his listed weight is his actual playing weight. He's strong at the point of attack. He's got areas of his game to work on, but size/strength haven't appeared to be one of them.
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:16 PM   #47
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So TheGuardian is to Belcher like KCJohnny is to Gunther.
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:17 PM   #48
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The issue is that people are using his weight to suggest that he's undersized.

The reason I actually believe Guardian on this is that there's no way he takes on Fullbacks the way he did if he's only 228. There's no reason to believe that his listed weight is his actual playing weight. He's strong at the point of attack. He's got areas of his game to work on, but size/strength haven't appeared to be one of them.
i haven't said anything about his weight, other than to point out that fake football guy was confused as all hell....

your camp weight means jack shit if you lose 30lbs during the season....
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:17 PM   #49
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The issue is that people are using his weight to suggest that he's undersized.

The reason I actually believe Guardian on this is that there's no way he takes on Fullbacks the way he did if he's only 228. There's no reason to believe that his listed weight is his actual playing weight. He's strong at the point of attack. He's got areas of his game to work on, but size/strength haven't appeared to be one of them.
Yay. We have an intelligent response. I was thinking the same thing actually. But it's kinda funny watching them argue about Belcher's weight.
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Weight doesn't mean jack shit when you're taking on fullbacks if you get leverage.
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Weight doesn't mean jack shit when you're taking on fullbacks if you get leverage.
I think we all agree. You have been fighting Dane's comments this whole time.
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i haven't said anything about his weight, other than to point out that fake football guy was confused as all hell....

your camp weight means jack shit if you lose 30lbs during the season....
It's not uncommon for NFL players to lose a lot of weight. Nobody actually weighs an NFL player midseason, that I know of. Camp weight is important because that's when they do the majority of their heavy lifting and bulking up. As the season goes on, they do a lot less of it.

And he's not talking about a 30 lb. weight change. He's talking about a 12 lb. weight loss. Which seems reasonable to me.

He's saying that losing 10 lbs isn't a big deal if everyone else is losing 10 lbs. too. And I'd have to agree because, again, people here are suggesting that his true playing weight is 20 lbs. lighter than it needs to be. If that were the case, he'd be getting mauled at the point of attack. He's not. He's clearly big enough to play ILB meaning that his weight is probably around the range Guardian is suggesting.
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i haven't said anything about his weight, other than to point out that fake football guy was confused as all hell....

your camp weight means jack shit if you lose 30lbs during the season....
Just jumping in here haven't read it all but why the hell would you lose 30lbs during the season? They practice and work out way less during the season than they do in camp. Chances are you would put on weight right?

The only way that would work is if you have to work your ass off to put on weight and I don't see that making a 30lb difference anyway. Maybe 10.
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Weight doesn't mean jack shit when you're taking on fullbacks if you get leverage.
Yeah, but leverage comes from strength, particularly lower body strength. Guys with strong legs to have that kind of leverage have legs that weigh a lot.
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Yeah, but leverage comes from strength, particularly lower body strength. Guys with strong legs to have that kind of leverage have legs that weigh a lot.
That's only partially right. Leverage also comes from being able to get under somebody's pads.
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That's only partially right. Leverage also comes from being able to get under somebody's pads.
Get under their pads and jack them up into the opponents neck and you will win every time.
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That's only partially right. Leverage also comes from being able to get under somebody's pads.
Which also means height plays a roll. Why Rudy sucks as a center.
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Pretty much every guy loses weight throughout the season you ****ing idiot. The fact that you never played a god damn down is the reason you don't know this.

So if a guy walks into camp at 250 he might have played most of the season at 235-240. No one plays the season at the same weight throughout.

****ing idiot, you need bitch slapped.
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I knew He and Larry Johnson were related. Explains a lot of things.
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