Chiefs Joeckel vs. Alberts - Page 4

**FRCDFED** · 02-22-2013, 10:32 PM

I know I probably misspelled his name but I want to get everyones true opinion of Joeckel. We want to sign Alberts but I believe most on here are in agreement that he isn't worth top 5 money. At the moment we don't know his demands.

Ever since Alberts was drafted we have debated on here whether or not he should be playing T or G. Mostly because he was a G in college. Most on here would agree that he is a pretty solid LT just not elite.

With that being said.........how does everyone really feel about potentially having a prototipical LT in Joeckel? Put the whole QB situation aside for a minute and just think of the OL.

If we came out of the draft with Joeckel and potentially Barkley if we traded back up or he fell for some reason then wouldn't that be a great start?

-King- · 02-22-2013, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

Clever and very original. You might earn a pat on the head for that.

You earn cyanide for that idea you had.

patteeu · 02-22-2013, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver5liter

This is the stupidest idea I have heard.

I don't believe you.

patteeu · 02-22-2013, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

You earn cyanide for that idea you had.

Why are you in this thread if you can't leave the QB situation aside for a minute? I bet there's a QB circle jerk in one or two of the other threads around here that would let you in.

**FRCDFED** · 02-22-2013, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

Why are you in this thread if you can't leave the QB situation aside for a minute? I bet there's a QB circle jerk in one or two of the other threads around here that would let you in.

This.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-22-2013, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22

you were essentially asking the prospect hype of Joeckel coming out as an LT

he is not the same kind of player as Roaf, Boselli, or Odgen or Orlando Pace

or even dare I say Jake Long

hes not even close to any of them. And probably wont be. Hes just going to be a good player from a weak class. Nothing more nothing less. But to ask if hes going to be a Hall of Fame LT. Id bet the favorite odds in NO. He would essentially have to play at a Pro Bowl and All Pro level from season 1 all the way til season 10+ beyond to come close, and that's very hard to do today. He would have a lot of current good LTs to leapfrog in a quick amount of time, and theres no way hes doing that.

just a slight interjection

O.city · 02-22-2013, 11:27 PM

To keep Albert on, you either have to pay him LT money, or franchise him. If you franchise him and draft Joeckel, thats a shitload of money you have at LG.

With the many other holes we need to fill, doing that financially doesn't make much sense.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2013, 11:31 PM

mmmmm....true fan tackle talk.....tastes like shitloaf! Lil Chiefy; is that you son?
Posted via Mobile Device

patteeu · 02-22-2013, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

To keep Albert on, you either have to pay him LT money, or franchise him. If you franchise him and draft Joeckel, thats a shitload of money you have at LG.

With the many other holes we need to fill, doing that financially doesn't make much sense.

I would hope we wouldn't have to franchise him, but either way, we're way under the cap, are we not? I'm not sure why it wouldn't make sense since you'd still only be paying one player legit LT money.

silver5liter · 02-22-2013, 11:32 PM

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU DRAFT A BACK UP LT WITH THE FIRST OVER ALL PICK. WHAT GOOD DOES THAT DO? HOW MUCH BETTER ARE WE WITH LUKE JOECKEL?

There, all in caps.

**BossChief** · 02-22-2013, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

Why trade him? The Chiefs have a ton of money to spend. Sign Albert for LT money and draft Joeckel for cheap rookie money and play them wherever you want to. Eventually, if not initially, move Albert and let Joeckel take over at LT. A few years down the road, either force Albert to take a pay cut or release him because you've got someone cheaper ready to take his spot. If all goes according to plan, then it will be time to resign Joeckel to his LT 2nd contract.

FTR, I'm not advocating this, but it wouldn't bother me if something like this happened as long as QB was also addressed in some fashion. It would be infinitely better than intentionally letting Albert walk and replacing him with Joeckel.

Our offensive line is 100% SET at Left tackle (Albert only gave up one sack in 11 starts), right guard (Asamoah is a ****ing STUD)and right tackle (Winston is a top five right tackle)...one of the two other spots is owned by Rodney Hudson...an all american left guard at fsu that has center skills...that leaves ONE LINE POSITION that we don't have a very good, young player at.

Left guard or center...to me, I'd like to see them move Hudson back to left guard and for us to draft a good center to finish the OL, but in no way shape or form should that be with the top pick.

We have NOBODY at quarterback and the difference between Geno and what we could get in the second round is significant.

If we come out of our top two picks with Geno and Barrett Jones, ill be a happy camper.

**FRCDFED** · 02-22-2013, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

To keep Albert on, you either have to pay him LT money, or franchise him. If you franchise him and draft Joeckel, thats a shitload of money you have at LG.

With the many other holes we need to fill, doing that financially doesn't make much sense.

Keeping Albert and drafting Joeckel hasn't crossed my mind. Even if we don't keep Albert and don't draft Joeckel then how difficult would it be to replace Albert?

O.city · 02-22-2013, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

I would hope we wouldn't have to franchise him, but either way, we're way under the cap, are we not? I'm not sure why it wouldn't make sense since you'd still only be paying one player legit LT money.

He's not going to sign here to play LG, so you have to franchise him. IIRC, you have to designate what you are franchising position wise. If you do it at guard, he's not signing it and would likely sit out.

So he's gone after one year, then you're looking for a guard too.

Yeah, if you want to keep him at guard, you have to franchise him. Otherwise, he's just going to go somewhere else to play LT, which he should, cause he's shown to be a damn good LT in the NFL. He's never played guard in the NFL so .....

Sorter · 02-22-2013, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Keeping Albert and drafting Joeckel hasn't crossed my mind. Even if we don't keep Albert and don't draft Joeckel then how difficult would it be to replace Albert?

Well, there happens to be a 3rd round pick on our roster who played pretty well in his appearances last year.

**FRCDFED** · 02-22-2013, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Our offensive line is 100% SET at Left tackle (Albert only gave up one sack in 11 starts), right guard (Asamoah is a ****ing STUD)and right tackle (Winston is a top five right tackle)...one of the two other spots is owned by Rodney Hudson...an all american left guard at fsu that has center skills...that leaves ONE LINE POSITION that we don't have a very good, young player at.

Left guard or center...to me, I'd like to see them move Hudson back to left guard and for us to draft a good center to finish the OL, but in no way shape or form should that be with the top pick.

We have NOBODY at quarterback and the difference between Geno and what we could get in the second round is significant.

If we come out of our top two picks with Geno and Barrett Jones, ill be a happy camper.

Using your scenerio we assume that we resign or franchise Albert. Then how high would Barrett Jones be drafted and is he the best C prospect?

-King- · 02-22-2013, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

Why are you in this thread if you can't leave the QB situation aside for a minute? I bet there's a QB circle jerk in one or two of the other threads around here that would let you in.

Please quote any post in this thread in which I have mentioned the QB situation.

Thanks.

02-22-2013, 10:32 PM
FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $8966297	Joeckel vs. Alberts I know I probably misspelled his name but I want to get everyones true opinion of Joeckel. We want to sign Alberts but I believe most on here are in agreement that he isn't worth top 5 money. At the moment we don't know his demands. Ever since Alberts was drafted we have debated on here whether or not he should be playing T or G. Mostly because he was a G in college. Most on here would agree that he is a pretty solid LT just not elite. With that being said.........how does everyone really feel about potentially having a prototipical LT in Joeckel? Put the whole QB situation aside for a minute and just think of the OL. If we came out of the draft with Joeckel and potentially Barkley if we traded back up or he fell for some reason then wouldn't that be a great start?
Posts: 3,200

02-22-2013, 11:27 PM	#51
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	To keep Albert on, you either have to pay him LT money, or franchise him. If you franchise him and draft Joeckel, thats a shitload of money you have at LG. With the many other holes we need to fill, doing that financially doesn't make much sense.
Posts: 84,239

02-22-2013, 11:31 PM	#52
Sweet Daddy Hate Unsparing Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	mmmmm....true fan tackle talk.....tastes like shitloaf! Lil Chiefy; is that you son? Posted via Mobile Device
Posts: 77,135

02-22-2013, 11:32 PM	#54
silver5liter ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK Join Date: Jul 2012 Casino cash: $10005135	WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU DRAFT A BACK UP LT WITH THE FIRST OVER ALL PICK. WHAT GOOD DOES THAT DO? HOW MUCH BETTER ARE WE WITH LUKE JOECKEL? There, all in caps.
Posts: 1,722