What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2

[-King-]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The thing is, put Hardman in McLaurin's situation and McLaurin in KC and we might be having this conversation in reverse.

You can't just look at things in a vacuum. Hardman's development may be hindered by the team dynamic itself. We just don't know.

You could also argue that McLaurins development was hampered by being drafted to a dog shit team.

I don't believe for a second Hardman would be better in another offense than he is here. It's not like his play isn't popping off the page just because he shares the field with Hill and Kelce. It's because he makes the worst kind of mental mistakes and because it really seems like him and Mahomes are nowhere on the same page. It's also that most of his best players are plays where Reid draws up a play just for him rather than him running a route and being open organically because he read the defense right and made the right option or because he flat out beat the corner. That's the difference between him and someone like McLaurin. McLaurin just flat out beats corners, he doesn't need the OC to run a pitch play or screen in order to get success out of him.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by -King-

You could also argue that McLaurins development was hampered by being drafted to a dog shit team.

I don't believe for a second Hardman would be better in another offense than he is here. It's not like his play isn't popping off the page just because he shares the field with Hill and Kelce. It's because he makes the worst kind of mental mistakes and because it really seems like him and Mahomes are nowhere on the same page. It's also that most of his best players are plays where Reid draws up a play just for him rather than him running a route and being open organically because he read the defense right and made the right option or because he flat out beat the corner. That's the difference between him and someone like McLaurin. McLaurin just flat out beats corners, he doesn't need the OC to run a pitch play or screen in order to get success out of him.

Yeah, I get it.

I didn't say I believe it either. I just don't think we can know.

The Hardman situation is what it is and I personally put at least some of the blame on the team and the situation he's been put in. That being said, he hasn't developed and a lot of that is on him.

Next year is year 3. For WR's, especially in Reid's offense, that's the magic year. If he doesn't bust out this year, he's likely playing out his rookie contract and moving on. So we'll know sooner rather than later I believe.

[Deberg_1990]

He is what he is. A decent #2-3 WR.

He will never be a star. Not every guy can be a star at the NFL level.

I’m ok with him for now.

[BWillie]

Remember when we drafted him and I said it was a big mistake based on who else was available and that he was just a fast guy who played football. Yeah I member. You guys jumped down my throat because I didn't pump out the pure positivity that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Remember when we drafted him and I said it was a big mistake based on who else was available and that he was just a fast guy who played football. Yeah I member. You guys jumped down my throat because I didn't pump out the pure positivity that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Just because he’s not a star doesn’t mean he was a bad draft choice. He’s not a bust.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Just because he’s not a star doesn’t mean he was a bad draft choice. He’s not a bust.

Hes not, but I'd also rather have someone who doesn't make as many mental mistakes as he does. Especially in big moments. Doesn't matter if he's only known the position for a few years, doesn't matter if he lost a training camp.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Remember when we drafted him and I said it was a big mistake based on who else was available and that he was just a fast guy who played football. Yeah I member. You guys jumped down my throat because I didn't pump out the pure positivity that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

It's always like that around here. If you shit on a pick, it's that the Chiefs know best and don't question Veach... etc etc. If you turn out to be wrong too, then hooo boy, what an idiot you are. The same goes if you champion a player that most everyone shits on. The only right way is to agree that all picks are the greatest ever and that we are all idiots because we do not work in the NFL.

I scoffed a bit at Hardman as well, mostly because I really thought Parris Campbell was going to be a player. Two injury-filled years later and I'm not looking really good on the flip side of my argument. I do feel like Hardman is at least a fairly decent, if not above average, #3/slot guy but it is evident he gets scheme-based production. I also feel like that is Hardman's ceiling.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by kccrow

It's always like that around here. If you shit on a pick, it's that the Chiefs know best and don't question Veach... etc etc. If you turn out to be wrong too, then hooo boy, what an idiot you are. The same goes if you champion a player that most everyone shits on. The only right way is to agree that all picks are the greatest ever and that we are all idiots because we do not work in the NFL.

I scoffed a bit at Hardman as well, mostly because I really thought Parris Campbell was going to be a player. Two injury-filled years later and I'm not looking really good on the flip side of my argument. I do feel like Hardman is at least a fairly decent, if not above average, #3/slot guy but it is evident he gets scheme-based production. I also feel like that is Hardman's ceiling.

I wanted Paris Campbell too but Mecole has been a fine 2nd rd player. People don’t want to admit this but he’s been every bit as good as Sammy Watkins was and we paid Sammy a freaking boat full of cash.

It’s annoying that some posters treat the kid like he’s DAT when he’s clearly better.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I wanted Paris Campbell too but Mecole has been a fine 2nd rd player. People don’t want to admit this but he’s been every bit as good as Sammy Watkins was and we paid Sammy a freaking boat full of cash.

It’s annoying that some posters treat the kid like he’s DAT when he’s clearly better.

How exactly is he every bit as good as Sammy yet still doesn't get the snaps even when Sammy is injured? Sammy is a lot better. Just made of glass

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by -King-

How exactly is he every bit as good as Sammy yet still doesn't get the snaps even when Sammy is injured?

You answered your own question

Originally Posted by -King-

Sammy is made of glass

[Rasputin]

"Not clutch" but look at all these clutch plays




Yeah **** the haters he has done good his first two years and I think he is going get better and make some more incredible plays that will be apart of championships for us.


That back of the endzone TD doesn't get any more clutch.


Has he made mistakes yes. Can he get better, also yes.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Rasputin

"Not clutch" but look at all these clutch plays




Yeah **** the haters he has done good his first two years and I think he is going get better and make some more incredible plays that will be apart of championships for us.


That back of the endzone TD doesn't get any more clutch.


Has he made mistakes yes. Can he get better, also yes.

But it didn’t fit the natural flow of the offense so it doesn’t count!

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I wanted Paris Campbell too but Mecole has been a fine 2nd rd player. People don’t want to admit this but he’s been every bit as good as Sammy Watkins was and we paid Sammy a freaking boat full of cash.

It’s annoying that some posters treat the kid like he’s DAT when he’s clearly better.

Yeah, I agree. He's certainly leaps and bounds better than DAT and I really have no issues with Hardman at all and the role he plays in the offense. It'd be nice if he could evolve into more, but if he doesn't that doesn't make him bad.

[FloridaMan88]

The Chiefs were trying too hard to draft a Tyreek Hill-type player with Hardman when they thought at the time Tyreek's NFL future was in doubt.

Thank God the Chiefs never had to ultimately deal with the scenario of having to replace Tyreek with Hardman.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Thank God the Chiefs never had to ultimately deal with the scenario of having to replace Tyreek with Hardman.

That would have been a major disaster...that's why you don't draft like that. Veach blew that pick because he was doing it out of desperation.