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Old 10-10-2022, 09:57 PM  
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has possession of the football. How is it theoretically POSSIBLE for there to be "roughing the passer" called on Jones AFTER he has possession?!? I mean, it's literally not POSSIBLE, right?
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Old 10-10-2022, 10:39 PM   #46
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Not to mention,they called the penalty on # 97,i thought something happened after the strip sack,but no they can't even call it on the right number. So dumb.
I didn’t imagine that then! I kept watching the replay looking for 97 to come flying in with a late hit and it never happened. I wasn’t sure if they misspoke or I misheard. Is appropriate that they ****ed the number up along with the call.
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Old 10-10-2022, 10:39 PM   #47
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Carl Cheffers explanation:

“Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.
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Old 10-10-2022, 10:41 PM   #48
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Carl Cheffers explanation:

Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.
All of that makes sense to me.

The rule itself doesn't.
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Can't lose sight of the fact that it was a fabulous play by Jones, especially for a big lineman. To strip the ball, maintain possession and to break your fall so as NOT to land on the QB in the process is very athletic. Very impressive.

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Old 10-10-2022, 10:43 PM   #50
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Carl Cheffers explanation:

“Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.
And that's fine. But there actually has to be some roughing going on. Chris Jones did absolutely nothing that could be considered roughing the passer. He even propped himself up on his arm as he fell to avoid falling on Carr.
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Old 10-10-2022, 10:44 PM   #51
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Carl Cheffers explanation:

“Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.
Carl Cheffers is obviously a dumb ****.
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All of that makes sense to me.

The rule itself doesn't.
As is the case more than ever in this league, Cheffers called what he thought he saw. But you know he never saw the fumble/strip.

The catch/no catch was a huge overturn. But they took the time to get it right. To allow that call to stand, is just a terrible precedent.
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Carl Cheffers explanation:

“Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.
Even with out the fumble it’s horse shit. I don’t care if the QB is involved or not, it’s tackle football and if you have the ball your ass is fair game to be tackled.

They just continue to erode the integrity of the game. It may not seem possible to most right now but, it is possible to kill the golden goose.
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As is the case more than ever in this league, Cheffers called what he thought he saw. But you know he never saw the fumble/strip.

The catch/no catch was a huge overturn. But they took the time to get it right. To allow that call to stand, is just a terrible precedent.
By rule the fumble doesn't matter if a penalty is involved. So whether or not he saw it is irrelevant. You can still rough a passer after he throws the ball so logically you can still rough a passer on a strip sack. However, this whole landing with your body weight on a player you are tackling is just dumb as ****.
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glad they won but I stopped watching after that. That was the most ridiculous thing I ever seen in the NFL
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By rule the fumble doesn't matter if a penalty is involved. So whether or not he saw it is irrelevant.You can still rough a passer after he throws the ball so logically you can still rough a passer on a strip sack. However, this whole landing with your body weight on a player you are tackling is just dumb as ****.
Thanks. I had looked right past that in my anger
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By rule the fumble doesn't matter if a penalty is involved. So whether or not he saw it is irrelevant. You can still rough a passer after he throws the ball so logically you can still rough a passer on a strip sack. However, this whole landing with your body weight on a player you are tackling is just dumb as ****.
An interesting point is that Jones has possession of the ball.

Can a player with possession of the ball get called for roughing the passer?

Let’s say it’s a tipped ball, he catches it with two hands and lands full body weight on the QB while catching it. Is that RTP?

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Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight.

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How can you be expected to do that while possessing the ball.
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(Adam T. should have pointed out that Jones broke his fall with his hand and then ask if Cheffers was legally blind.)
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Seriously. The refs spent a good portion of the game afterwards giving us all sorts of make up calls. That penalty ended up being largely a good thing for us. Glad we won but this shit needs to be addressed now by the league.
There was still the serious holding on Chris Jones on the final drive they didn't call.

That was blatant non call.
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