2023 Cap Discussion

[Dante84]

If we were to absolutely max out all restructures, we would have almost $119M in cap space according to Over The Cap.

Effective Cap Space: $8,449,166

Simple Restructure: $67,070,657
Possible Cap Space: $75,519,823

Maximum Restructure: $110,459,052
Possible Cap Space: $118,908,218

According to @Jason_OTC, the #Chiefs could have $118,908,218 in cap space in 2023, with maximum restructures.

That would be the fourth-most cap space if every team maximized their restructures. #InVeachWeTrust pic.twitter.com/0ezsiCNhFc

— Jacob Milham (@JMilTheHam) November 3, 2022

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Don’t understand not paying Juju even if it’s $24 million average.

His first year in 2023 will be cheap, then in 2024 you cut MVS to get $12 million and still have Toney, Skyy and whatever rookie you want to draft.

We saw what not having a presence like Sammy Watkins did to us for years. Don’t let Juju walk

Please tell me that’s a typo.

No way in hell do you pay a #2 WR 24m aav. Juju is a good WR, don’t get me wrong…but he’s far from Davante Adams or other WR in that pay bracket.

I’d be perfect with giving Juju a 3 year extension for around 45m total with half fully guaranteed, but past that is probably better to pass and let him get that deal in FA so we max a comp pick.

Would be nice to lose Bienemy to a HC spot to get another 3rd rounder in this next draft and the one after that.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Please tell me that’s a typo.

No way in hell do you pay a #2 WR 24m aav. Juju is a good WR, don’t get me wrong…but he’s far from Davante Adams or other WR in that pay bracket.

I’d be perfect with giving Juju a 3 year extension for around 45m total with half fully guaranteed, but past that is probably better to pass and let him get that deal in FA so we max a comp pick.

Would be nice to lose Bienemy to a HC spot to get another 3rd rounder in this next draft and the one after that.

If JJSS plays for the rest of the year like the SF game then I'd happily pay what you're suggesting, he'd be worth it. Until that point I was in the "let him walk" camp but if something has clicked and they've worked out his usage, cool, $14-15m a year is fine. I just don't think he's a guy worth more outside of a team with Mahomes.

I'd have been tempted to ditch MVS like Chris to free up some of that money. But I can see he is a different piece of the puzzle and prioritising JJSS and letting MVS go probably leaves you with more guys doing the same things in the same areas of the field. I don't particularly rate MVS but I can see value I guess, just about.

If it came down to Bolton or Gay we obviously prioritise Bolton. I like both but he's waaaay more important than Gay, it isn't as hard as it used to be finding big, fast guys at LB. It IS hard finding smart LBs who can process quickly. If Bolton wants Warner money it might be a problem, because he aint Warner. But Milano type money, maybe a little more, absolutely. I like Gay but I think we can do without him/find a replacement.

I'd probably extend Sneed now, Creed and Smith - I know we're good at churning through IOL and CBs but I'd keep some stability. If it comes down to it Smith obviously goes. I'd prioritise keeping Creed on number 1 centre money over keeping Smith on a decent wedge.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

You still wanting to add a pass rusher to pair with Jones, though? (after Clark is cut)

Because if you are, that’s gonna cost some money.

Can’t pay Reid, Sneed, Gay and Jones AND add a top tier pass rusher.

Gonna have to sacrifice one of those guys . . . . .

If we don't have to pay corners, and we let OBJ walk, grab Nijman for a middle of the road LT deal ( saving a bunch of money, you have flexibility to keep Gay and Sneed, and either trade up for a DE or possibly sign one.

[poolboy]

Varch isnt gonna pay everybody on the OL even though they may deserve it..some will walk

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by poolboy

Varch isnt gonna pay everybody on the OL even though they may deserve it..some will walk

Don't have to worry about it for a couple of years other than OBJ.

Just about the time that Thuney's cap number comes down.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Don’t understand not paying Juju even if it’s $24 million average.

His first year in 2023 will be cheap, then in 2024 you cut MVS to get $12 million and still have Toney, Skyy and whatever rookie you want to draft.

We saw what not having a presence like Sammy Watkins did to us for years. Don’t let Juju walk

They went with the WR by committee and didn't pay Tyreek, no way you blow that up and pay JJSS 24 million dollars per year.

Look for the next JJSS

[O.city]

They'll pay OBJ. Andy likes the continuity on the OL, they'll do that. Hell, I might even go one step farther and pay Conklin to play RT for a 2/3 year deal. That's a ton invested up front, but whatever.

They're gonna have to find a DE somewhere, be it FA or the draft.

[Couch-Potato]

I think JuJu joins us on a contract similar to 3 yrs @ $15m, $17m, & $19m. Not premium Tyreek Hill WR money, he's not our #1 pass catcher, but if he performs he gets paid well.

We don't let perfect get in the way of good and we sign OBJ long term, IMO he'll get something like the 3rd-4th best LT contract in the league to protect Mahomes. Pay Creed too.

There are no FA's next year that scream Chiefs addition to me at DL or WR, wouldn't mind adding WR OBJ on a 1.5 year deal now. If we want to make a splashy signing in the offseason, I'd pursue Saquan Barkley or a trade for Kamara. RBs aren't as expensive as OL, DL, or WR.

Pretty sure that's like $60-$80m in spending including draft picks lol, go for it Veach!

kelce
+
OBJ - 1.5 yr
JuJu - 3 yr
Toney
Moore
Ross
+
Saquan Barkley - 3 yr

Use our premium picks on defense again, and a quality RT.

We have the youngest secondary in the league, and they're pretty damn good and only going to get better. Our LB core is excellent. Add a fast pass rushing DE and a mean DL to play next to Jones, and we're pretty much set.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

After two seasons of Reiter, I'd pay Creed.

Creed is a generational talent at center. You pay him without even hesitating. He can anchor this line for the next 12 years. His build is the type that will only get stronger and bowling balls like him rarely get injured.

Freaking love that dude.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Don’t understand not paying Juju even if it’s $24 million average.

His first year in 2023 will be cheap, then in 2024 you cut MVS to get $12 million and still have Toney, Skyy and whatever rookie you want to draft.

We saw what not having a presence like Sammy Watkins did to us for years. Don’t let Juju walk

We traded Hill because he wanted $25 million avg on his contract but lets pay JuJu basically the same amount.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by O.city

They'll pay OBJ. Andy likes the continuity on the OL, they'll do that. Hell, I might even go one step farther and pay Conklin to play RT for a 2/3 year deal. That's a ton invested up front, but whatever.

They're gonna have to find a DE somewhere, be it FA or the draft.

Continuity means shit if a guy takes half a season to get up to speed every year. Paying OBJ will be to their own detriment.

[jd1020]

OBJ is just keeping himself fresh for the SB and taking things slow early in the season. 200 IQ.

Same with Eric Fisher so when we sign him and move OBJ to RT there is no stopping us.

[CupidStunt]

I skimmed some of the thread.

24m for Juju? Are you ****ing crazy? Chiefs likely aren't gonna invest that heavily into 1 WR, but if they do it damn sure won't be him for that.

The guy worrying so much about guys like Creed and Bolton and Trey, I mean I get it, but they're another full season from being eligible. A lot can change in that time. Yeah you have to keep it in mind and can't out infinite huge money deals before them, but you also don't need to be a pussy as if our whole cap will be determined by then. By the time that's relevant, Clark will be off the books, maybe OBJ, Thuney gets some years tacked on. Any deals for guys like Sneed will be in the low $ early years of the deal.

Cap will go up as well. We'll be just fine. Veach will pay the right guys we need to keep and still be aggressive in UFA/trades as he always is. We're not the Rams who are so clearly locked in on being a tire fire in 3-4 years. And we're not the Packers who sit around doing nothing. We're in a great spot.

[Jerok]

It's gonna be nice having 60 million in cap space, but that doens't go as far as it used to and we have a lot of guys here.

Being a GM is rough, you first have to decide which players you want, then see if they'll sign extensions, then go back and sign players you didn't want as much or increase the cap you'll sign the other players for, meanwhile you have to balance how good this year's draft is in the positions you'll be signing.

It's no wonder so many GMs in the league are terrible.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by CupidStunt

I skimmed some of the thread.

24m for Juju? Are you ****ing crazy? Chiefs likely aren't gonna invest that heavily into 1 WR, but if they do it damn sure won't be him for that.

The guy worrying so much about guys like Creed and Bolton and Trey, I mean I get it, but they're another full season from being eligible. A lot can change in that time. Yeah you have to keep it in mind and can't out infinite huge money deals before them, but you also don't need to be a pussy as if our whole cap will be determined by then. By the time that's relevant, Clark will be off the books, maybe OBJ, Thuney gets some years tacked on. Any deals for guys like Sneed will be in the low $ early years of the deal.

Cap will go up as well. We'll be just fine. Veach will pay the right guys we need to keep and still be aggressive in UFA/trades as he always is. We're not the Rams who are so clearly locked in on being a tire fire in 3-4 years. And we're not the Packers who sit around doing nothing. We're in a great spot.

If they could get Creed and or Smith done early, might save some I guess, but in reality, I don't think I'd wanna pay Smith much if they're gonna keep Thuney around. You can't pay everyone and RG seems like a spot you could draft and plug and play.