Scientists map massive underground structures beneath the Giza Pyramid

[Hammock Parties]

Going 650 METERS BELOW

WITH ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES EVEN FARTHER DOWN!

This is crazy. Clearly an alien base.

WTF is going on under the Giza pyramids? pic.twitter.com/X3d24jPbEs

— 8BitTendies (@8BitTendies) March 19, 2025

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You've obviously never been to central Europe. It's littered with castles of lesser lords that couldn't afford them. Where there's a will, there's a way.

Read up on the Sabeans (Sheba). They built structures unbelievable at the time including massive dams.

I have, and I've visited castles. They most often COULD afford to build them, they and their progeny just couldn't afford to maintain them. I'm not saying man was uncapable of such construction, what I AM saying is, it wasn't done in the manner and time frames we were told. Popular Eqyptology claims the Khufu pyramid was completed in about a decade, later stretched to 20 years...pretty amazing considering it took 15 years to complete a tunnel in Boston.

My point: the ancient 7 wonders were very well detailed by multiple eyewitness going back to Alexander. Only one remains, which was lumped in with 6 missing, which givens SOME creedence to the testimony. These constructions would still be wonders of the modern world, but with a few exceptions, man's engineering feats started over, and we lived an agrarian existence for centuries. I believe it likely that the pyramids were built by advanced societies with technology we still don't know about, and that Atlantis was probably based on truth, although maybe exaggerated or misunderstood like much of the ancient "wisdom". A catastrophic meteor like Chicxulub, massive tectonic movement, or natural, long-lived climate cycles wiped out most of civilzations and we had to start over again. I just don't believe the Egyptians of 2,400 BC? came from nothing and built something like the pyramids.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

I have, and I've visited castles. They most often COULD afford to build them, they and their progeny just couldn't afford to maintain them. I'm not saying man was uncapable of such construction, what I AM saying is, it wasn't done in the manner and time frames we were told. Popular Eqyptology claims the Khufu pyramid was completed in about a decade, later stretched to 20 years...pretty amazing considering it took 15 years to complete a tunnel in Boston.

My point: the ancient 7 wonders were very well detailed by multiple eyewitness going back to Alexander. Only one remains, which was lumped in with 6 missing, which givens SOME creedence to the testimony. These constructions would still be wonders of the modern world, but with a few exceptions, man's engineering feats started over, and we lived an agrarian existence for centuries. I believe it likely that the pyramids were built by advanced societies with technology we still don't know about, and that Atlantis was probably based on truth, although maybe exaggerated or misunderstood like much of the ancient "wisdom". A catastrophic meteor like Chicxulub, massive tectonic movement, or natural, long-lived climate cycles wiped out most of civilzations and we had to start over again. I just don't believe the Egyptians of 2,400 BC? came from nothing and built something like the pyramids.

There are states in Germany that remain relatively poor today because of castles built 300 years ago. In some cases, the commoners died en masse due to starvation and disease, all to build a castle. And these were people that believed in God.

The ancient Egyptians believed that Pharaoh WAS God. You don't think they would have gone to their death to serve him?

Aliens aren't real.

[ThrobProng]

If you're getting help from an advanced alien civilization and the pyramids are the best you can do, you suck. So do the aliens for that matter.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by ThrobProng

If you're getting help from an advanced alien civilization and the pyramids are the best you can do, you suck. So do the aliens for that matter.

You don't know what they looked like thousands of years ago. The technology could have crumbled into dust, or been beamed into space.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

There are two seasons where not as many workers are needed out in the fields: summer and winter. That is when the Pyramids were built ...which makes the 20 year time frame as espoused by the "experts" all that more ludicrous.

Egypt never had the best military and the fact it had rather hard to cross deserts surrounding it lead to it not being threatened all that much. The New Kingdom military was a dominant force and conqured the Levant

Also, the blocks are not uniform with the ones higher up being smaller than the ones at the base. yes, we know that, but the heaviest stone in the King's Chamber is about 450' high.

Pyramids are from the Old Kingdom period which is strictly bronze age. So the military was a warrior elite, who could afford bronze weapons and armor, and a bunch of lightly armed and armored archers, slingers, and skirmishers.

Egypt got the chariot idea from the Hyksos, whom they later defeated using theri own version. Sooooo...other armies could afford the same.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And literal DECADES in which to get it done.

The idea that humans couldn't have built things on that scale is just nutty to me. Of course they could've. The only thing I find particularly impressive is the precision.

But then you look at how Eratosthenes managed to calculate the circumference of the earth within about 100 miles using nothing more than a couple of shadows, a well and some AP Geography level math and you realize that these ****ers were smart.

And they didn't have a lot to do. There weren't doing a lot of doom scrolling to fritter their days away.

Human history is pretty long and there were a whole lot of really bright people mixed in with all the stupid that came along the way. Yeah, they absolutely could've made these calculations and oftentimes did to levels of certainty that are on par with what we're capable of with modern technology.

I saw a clip from some stupid Ancient Aliens type show as I was flipping through the channels. I heard the narrator say, "How did these ancient civilizations of the Ganges construct such impressive structures without an understanding of advanced mathematics and engineering?"

Uhh... they used advanced mathematics and engineering. In fact, they probably invented/developed several of the concepts independently.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

You don't know what they looked like thousands of years ago. The technology could have crumbled into dust, or been beamed into space.

If they had technology so far superior to humans that they could magically build the pyramids, do you think they would have built them in a way that left doubt as to who created them? Do you honestly believe there's some advanced alien race out there that would build structures for ants and not take credit for them? You're a sci Fi fan. You of all people should know that Stargate is entertainment and nothing more.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by BWillie

You would be surprised what you can do with 100,000 slaves and whips

They don’t believe slaves had anything to do with construction of the great pyramids anymore, FYI. It was built by free men during the agricultural offseason. Apparently they’ve got writings about how they were paid with food, beer, etc.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Which was just comically arrogant of us.

Exceptionally intelligent people have always existed. And as a fairly firm believer in the 'great man' theory, I do think most moments that shape humanity came about as a result of just a handful of brilliant people who were in the right place at the right time.

I mean agrarian society is one that I point to a lot. You look at certain grasses/wheats and they have drought protection mechanisms that mean only 1 in 5 or so seeds actually germinate in a year. They didn't know that then.

So they have 100 people in their village and they plant enough wheat seeds for 100 of them....20% of those germinate and half the village starves to death.

In most cases that probably ended things. They went back to hunting and gathering.

At some point then there was one guy who said "Nah, we're gonna try this again..." and they powered through and made it work. And suddenly agriculture was born.

There has always been brilliance in the world. Doggedness. Industriousness. And there's always been lazy and/or simply mediocre and forgettable.

Why should we have EVER believed that there weren't people who were absolutely as innately intelligent as anyone we have on the planet today. And as such would have problem-solving skills that rival anything we see in modern times. They use the tools at their disposal but as brilliant people they could make those tools do some pretty remarkable things.

Has nothing to do with ingenuity but I always think about the poor bastards who shit their brains out for a lifetime until one of their kids randomly developed the lactose tolerance mutation.

Now I can enjoy ice cream and pizza with no issues.. thank you, determined ancestor!

[ThrobProng]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

You don't know what they looked like thousands of years ago. The technology could have crumbled into dust, or been beamed into space.

Actually we have a pretty good idea what they looked like when they were new. No alien tech required.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

If they had technology so far superior to humans that they could magically build the pyramids, do you think they would have built them in a way that left doubt as to who created them? Do you honestly believe there's some advanced alien race out there that would build structures for ants and not take credit for them? You're a sci Fi fan. You of all people should know that Stargate is entertainment and nothing more.

Our alien overlords work in mysterious ways, brother.

And while there may be doubt in your mind, there is no doubt in mine.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

There are states in Germany that remain relatively poor today because of castles built 300 years ago. In some cases, the commoners died en masse due to starvation and disease, all to build a castle. And these were people that believed in God.

The ancient Egyptians believed that Pharaoh WAS God. You don't think they would have gone to their death to serve him?

Aliens aren't real.

" In some cases, the commoners died en masse due to starvation and disease, all to build a castle"...that's basically what I said about the people 2500 years earlier. Cram nearly the entire region's population into an area just off the Nile and inland to Giza and it would be a miracle if you avoided significant water-borne disease and starvation over the time frame it would take to complete the pyramids.

"Aliens aren't real" - where did I mention that?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

There are states in Germany that remain relatively poor today because of castles built 300 years ago. In some cases, the commoners died en masse due to starvation and disease, all to build a castle. And these were people that believed in God.

The ancient Egyptians believed that Pharaoh WAS God. You don't think they would have gone to their death to serve him?

Aliens aren't real.

We're in a time where mankind has progressed in a linear fashion for literally centuries.

That is absolutely unprecedented in human history.

Mankind has operated in fits and starts for eons. It hasn't gone inexorably forward -- it's gone forward, collapsed, risen from the ashes slightly better than it started, moved forward again. Both on micro and macro levels; mankind writ large as well as individual societies dominating geographic regions.

Even through the 1500s it was common for explorers to find fallen civilizations that were far more advanced than anything they knew could exist.

Why do you think the Flood narrative exists and existed BEFORE Christianity? These folks found collapsed civilizations and figured "well hell, something wild must have happened..." That same story or some variation of same exists in essentially every culture.

We just operate through such a limited lens these days. We are so used to the idea that societies are linear that the idea that there were societies using advanced mathematics and complex tools thousands of years ago is simply not under consideration. "It must have been Aliens!" is little more than arrogance on our part, IMO.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

" In some cases, the commoners died en masse due to starvation and disease, all to build a castle"...that's basically what I said about the people 2500 years earlier. Cram nearly the entire region's population into an area just off the Nile and inland to Giza and it would be a miracle if you avoided significant water-borne disease and starvation over the time frame it would take to complete the pyramids.

"Aliens aren't real" - where did I mention that?

And yet the pyramids are there. If you don't believe the Egyptians built them and you don't believe aliens built them, who did?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We're in a time where mankind has progressed in a linear fashion for literally centuries.

That is absolutely unprecedented in human history.

Mankind has operated in fits and starts for eons. It hasn't gone inexorably forward -- it's gone forward, collapsed, risen from the ashes slightly better than it started, moved forward again. Both on micro and macro levels; mankind writ large as well as individual societies dominating geographic regions.

Even through the 1500s it was common for explorers to find fallen civilizations that were far more advanced than anything they knew could exist.

Why do you think the Flood narrative exists and existed BEFORE Christianity? These folks found collapsed civilizations and figured "well hell, something wild must have happened..." That same story or some variation of same exists in essentially every culture.

We just operate through such a limited lens these days. We are so used to the idea that societies are linear that the idea that there were societies using advanced mathematics and complex tools thousands of years ago is simply not under consideration. "It must have been Aliens!" is little more than arrogance on our part, IMO.

Even primitive people (by modern standards, when judged against the Greek and Romans) had astounding understandings of the natural world. Ancient Celts and Teutons built burial chambers that were perfect aligned with the passage of time, so that months, years, and even centuries later, the sun would shine through a pinhole and illuminate the buried body inside.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Even primitive people (by modern standards, when judged against the Greek and Romans) had astounding understandings of the natural world. Ancient Celts and Teutons built burial chambers that were perfect aligned with the passage of time, so that months, years, and even centuries later, the sun would shine through a pinhole and illuminate the buried body inside.

And I also think we fail to adequately differentiate between extremely smart and genuinely brilliant.

I would say that someone in the top 20% of the population in terms of raw intelligence is closer to the bottom 25% than he is the top 5% if you were to 'score' that intelligence.

It's kinda like the richter scale -- the difference between a 2 (barely felt) and a 6 (moderately damaging) is nowhere NEAR the difference betwen a 7 (powerful, 4 billion lbs of TNT) and an 8 (cataclysmic; 123 billion lbs of TNT).

When we're talking about thousands of years people, that's a long time for several of those truly staggeringly intelligent people to pop up. And when they do, the world changes.

And when they're gone, it goes backwards (often because we lacked the means of memorializing what they knew). Until the next wave builds out of it, another brilliant person comes along and the cycle begins anew.

But finding the smartest guy on CP isn't going to find the guy that re-set society and started moving it forward in antiquity. Because you're talking richter scale level gaps between that guy and historically brilliant.