The biggest reason our offense was great was the O-Line, Herm didn't ruin it.

[Red Dawg]

Herm has not ruined our offense. We don't have a dominate line anymore which has led to less yardage in the air and on the ground. Couple that with mediocre WR's and a suspect FB and this is what you get.

Trent is looking old as well. His arm no longer has the power to go down field. How many throws have hit the ground. How many times against Balt did they run up and knock the ball away from our WR's. We've seen Trnet under throw our guys more than once this year on deep patterns. This is related to arm strength.

Herm deserves a chance to build his team. Get the O-line he wants and get larger more physical WR's that can get the ball without having to be wide open.

At least we know damn well he will get some more beef for the D-line.

[2112]

Originally Posted by Zouk

I don't understand this response.

In the first half they threw 7 times on 1st and 10. At least 2 (and possibly more) of those were play action throws.

And..there are things known as screen passes and misdirection plays for over pursuing defenses..I didn't see any of those either.

Edit:I saw one screen

[Silock]

Misdirection plays only work when you get the stretch play working. We ran a few screens, or tried to, but they usually got blown up.

[HermIsKing]

herm doesnt like all that misdirection because he knows the best way is to take it directly into the teef of the defense. screens and misdirection are to's.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by bill parcells

And..there are things known as screen passes and misdirection plays for over pursuing defenses..I didn't see any of those either.

Edit:I saw one screen

Yep. They were stacking the line, and bull-rushing up the middle on every play, so if we ran, we were screwed, and if Trent dropped back we were screwed. We definitely needed more screens and misdirections...

[Zouk]

Originally Posted by bill parcells

Predictability is not looking at overall stats when the game is over..I saw the Chargers stacking the line with 9-10 guys on 1st and 2nd down..and the Chiefs continued to run the ball..what do you call that??I watched the game.did you?

Of course I watched the game. I watch every Chiefs game.

I gave you the stats on run vs. pass. What happened more often than not was that the Chargers stacked the line and blitzed 6. The Chiefs called pass plays, couldn't block them and they lost. This is not a play-calling problem, it is a physical problem.

The same thing would happen to the Jets if they played at San Diego. Merriman, Castillo, Phillips, Olshansky, Williams - this is a monster front 7 that is 100% healthy and on fire right now.

The real story is that if they got the blocked punt they would have had an excellent chance to go into halftime up 10-7. People don't talk about the fact that the Chiefs had scouted the Chargers passing game so well that they knew just about every pass play the Chargers were running and had Phillip Rivers running scared.

The way the Chiefs were going to win a tough road game like that was not by throwing 30 times. It would have to be by playing conservative and winning the turnover battle. People have tried the other way, and no one has beaten SD there yet this year.

Jets fans I know will never understand this. Chiefs fans, I hope, will.

[2112]

Originally Posted by Silock

Misdirection plays only work when you get the stretch play working. We ran a few screens, or tried to, but they usually got blown up.

You're right....I have to agree with that..

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Zouk

I don't understand this response.

In the first half they threw 7 times on 1st and 10. At least 2 (and possibly more) of those were play action throws.

You might as well forget it.

People bitch and moan about the lack of passing and playaction. So when the Chiefs DO IT, they bitch about the lack of screens. People bitch and moan about the number of draw plays to Larry Johnson, and then when the Chiefs use it LESS, people bitch that we aren't using it.

Get used to it - IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HERM DOES.

It will never be good enough.

[2112]

Originally Posted by Zouk

Of course I watched the game. I watch every Chiefs game.

I gave you the stats on run vs. pass. What happened more often than not was that the Chargers stacked the line and blitzed 6. The Chiefs called pass plays, couldn't block them and they lost. This is not a play-calling problem, it is a physical problem.


The same thing would happen to the Jets if they played at San Diego. Merriman, Castillo, Phillips, Olshansky, Williams - this is a monster front 7 that is 100% healthy and on fire right now.

The real story is that if they got the blocked punt they would have had an excellent chance to go into halftime up 10-7. People don't talk about the fact that the Chiefs had scouted the Chargers passing game so well that they knew just about every pass play the Chargers were running and had Phillip Rivers running scared.

The way the Chiefs were going to win a tough road game like that was not by throwing 30 times. It would have to be by playing conservative and winning the turnover battle. People have tried the other way, and no one has beaten SD there yet this year.

Jets fans I know will never understand this. Chiefs fans, I hope, will.

We will have to agree to disagree on this..but..I want to ask you one question.

Why was there no sense of urgency on offense late in the 4th quarter behind by 2 scores??and I'm not talking about with 4 minutes left,when they ran a draw play to LJ.I mean with 9 minutes left.

[2112]

Originally Posted by Zouk

Jets fans I know will never understand this. Chiefs fans, I hope, will.

Actually,you would be surprised at how many Jet fans there are that used to defend Herm until the very end.they were called Hermophiles.

[Zouk]

Originally Posted by bill parcells

We will have to agree to disagree on this..but..I want to ask you one question.

Why was there no sense of urgency on offense late in the 4th quarter behind by 2 scores??and I'm not talking about with 4 minutes left,when they ran a draw play to LJ.I mean with 9 minutes left.

I agree there should have been more urgency with 9 minutes left.

But please don't take this to mean that I agree that Herm Edwards is a bad clock manager. On the contrary, I actually think he's a very good clock manager. People are always focused on going too fast on offense at the end of halves. And this always opens the door to teams to go down the field with 30 seconds left and score a winning field goal (as the Chiefs did to the Chargers the first time they met this year). This happens time and again.

Herm is always focused on avoiding this. He wants to keep control of the ball all the way to the end of the half, and this leads most fans and announcers to think he is going too slow. I know this is a hotly debated topic - I'd be happy to go over specific instances with you if you'd like.

Most of Herm's bad clock mgmt. rep comes from Quincy Carter not knowing the plays in one game against Baltimore (if I remember correctly).

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You might as well forget it.

People bitch and moan about the lack of passing and playaction. So when the Chiefs DO IT, they bitch about the lack of screens. People bitch and moan about the number of draw plays to Larry Johnson, and then when the Chiefs use it LESS, people bitch that we aren't using it.

Get used to it - IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HERM DOES.

It will never be good enough.

I will give you this Htismaqe, I havent seen anyone on this board so dedicated to defending Herm as you.

But this is america and we all have the right to our own opinions. . Wether you like them or not. And being it is the USA you have a right to argue your point and use petty name calling as well.

So Get used to it - Alot of people dont care for him and like to express their opinion on here, wether you think it is factual or not, everyone has the right to their own opinion...

I respect your opinions wether I like the or not.

Rep to you!

[Oh Snap]

The offense seemed to be just fine under huard at QB. The o line played some of there best football all year when huard was under center. Its herms fault that our offense is where it is because of the decision he made to start green over huard who was playing fantastic. Dont say well what about the fins game. We had bober playing LG in place of the best guard in the NFL. Of course its not going to be the same! So your blowing smoke out your ass if you think herms not at fault for the shitty state our offense is currently in. Maybe Green hurts our offense more then he helps it, including the OL.

[2112]

Originally Posted by Zouk

I agree there should have been more urgency with 9 minutes left.

OK

Originally Posted by Zouk

But please don't take this to mean that I agree that Herm Edwards is a bad clock manager. On the contrary, I actually think he's a very good clock manager. People are always focused on going too fast on offense at the end of halves. And this always opens the door to teams to go down the field with 30 seconds left and score a winning field goal (as the Chiefs did to the Chargers the first time they met this year). This happens time and again.

Then that goes against what he preaches..he always said let the defense win the game for you when you have the lead..and control the clock with the running game with a lead.

Originally Posted by Zouk

Herm is always focused on avoiding this. He wants to keep control of the ball all the way to the end of the half, and this leads most fans and announcers to think he is going too slow. I know this is a hotly debated topic - I'd be happy to go over specific instances with you if you'd like.

Most of Herm's bad clock mgmt. rep comes from Quincy Carter not knowing the plays in one game against Baltimore (if I remember correctly).

Having to waste timeouts because you can not get the plays in on time is inexcusable..it happened against the Chargers on Sunday.

[Oh Snap]

good point bill. Herm said our offense is going to build up a lead and then sit on it by running the clock out. The giving the defense the opporutnity by closing games out for us, while the offense does its best to keep our D off the field by literally running out the clock. Basically by playing the 'conservative' offense which ironically we start each and every game out with by playing. Herm is backpeddleing. This wasnt the type of offense he said he was wanting to play with to get the lead. You wont get a lead by run run pass. That is what we call a conservative offense. Herm brought it with him from NY and now its here brought back from the depths and is alive and kicking in KC once again!!! Solari doesnt help with his 'clever' playing calling either.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I will give you this Htismaqe, I havent seen anyone on this board so dedicated to defending Herm as you.

But this is america and we all have the right to our own opinions. . Wether you like them or not. And being it is the USA you have a right to argue your point and use petty name calling as well.

So Get used to it - Alot of people dont care for him and like to express their opinion on here, wether you think it is factual or not, everyone has the right to their own opinion...

I respect your opinions wether I like the or not.

Rep to you!

See, this is the common misconception.

I'm not defending Herm.

I'm not defending ANYTHING.

I'm ATTACKING opinions that are poorly contructed and ill-informed. Nothing more.