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Old 10-19-2008, 10:52 PM  
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Whitlock brings the ****ing axe down.

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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/848654.html

Now what?

The Chiefs lost their fragile and fraudulent quarterback of the future, exposing the irresponsibility of opening the season with a quarterback depth chart Rockhurst High’s Tony Severino would find objectionable.

Now what?

Today, the Chiefs welcome back to their starting lineup the unrepentant malcontent/running back who surely spent Sunday afternoon palling around with friends, laughing at the offense missing Larry Johnson that couldn’t move the chains or threaten the Titans when the outcome was in doubt.

Now what? Where do the Chiefs go from here? How do they define themselves and move forward after Tennessee blanked them for three quarters, embarrassed them for four and routed them 34-10 at Arrowhead Stadium?

There were no answers inside Kansas City’s locker room. There were plenty of stunned, silent looks and quick exits. You can’t blame them. There were few relevant, probing questions to be asked.

All the answers had been provided during three hours on the field.

Coming off a bye week filled with drama, acrimony, Brodie Croyle-inspired optimism and a get-tough deactivation of Johnson, Herm Edwards and his coaching staff bombed in a way that makes their employment here next season indefensible.

By declining to draft or acquire a quarterback to compete against Brittle Croyle and elevating clock-management specialist Dick “Father Time” Curl to oversee the most important position on any football team, Edwards tethered himself to Croyle.

When Croyle limped off the field with a season-(career)-ending knee injury early in the second quarter, Herm might as well have grabbed a pair of crutches and retired to the locker room with his Arena League QB of the future.

It’s over — the Croyle experiment, the Herm-driven rebuilding process and the Peterson-approved redistribution of Hunt family wealth. All good and bad things end, and the Titans literally ran over (332 yards on the ground) the remains of the Peterson era.

What we’ve witnessed this season in general — and the last two weeks in particular — is unacceptable and unprofessional. In its five losses, Kansas City’s opponents outscored Herm’s boys 147-42. The Chiefs’ lone victory — a 33-19 romp over the Broncos — was such an obvious fluke that it revealed nothing about the rebuilding effort.

The Chiefs are a joke right now. They have as little credibility as the Royals. The ownership is timid at a time when boldness is required. This is not a call to fire Peterson or Edwards today. It’s a call that Clark Hunt acknowledge that no progress is being made.

After Sunday’s performance, I’ll vouch for the professionalism and skill of one player on the roster. Tony Gonzalez is a winning player. Every other player is a mystery.

Kansas City’s offensive line is so inept that it is difficult for me to discern whether Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters is effective. I know that Rudy Niswanger, Adrian Jones and Damion McIntosh are not players a team can win consistently with in the starting lineup.

Also, I know that first-round pick Glenn Dorsey has been a bust through six games. I’ve watched film, and his footwork is horrid. He catches on run plays and tries to win a bench-press contest. An NFL lineman wins or loses the battle with his first step. Dorsey’s first step is slow and often misdirected. He hasn’t mastered the explosive, violent, 6-inch control step. I’ve seen Dorsey drop his foot back. I’ve seen him step the wrong direction.

On Sunday, the Titans had their way with Dorsey. On a key third-and-short play early in the contest, a Titans guard destroyed Dorsey at the point of attack, and a Tennessee running back ran right through where Dorsey was before he was removed the way a bouncer ushers a drunken customer out of Mosaic.

And someone sound an Amber Alert for 2006 first-round pick Tamba Hali, Kansas City’s sackless pass-rush specialist. If Hali has a bad knee, sit him down and un-Velcro him from opposing offensive tackles.

Herm’s youth movement is starting to resemble the last 15 years of “Saturday Night Live.” He keeps adding expensive cast members who can’t recapture the magic of Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, James Hasty and Dale Carter.

Short of a Sarah Palin/Tina Fey falling in Herm’s lap, the Chiefs seem unsalvageable.

Next season, the Chiefs will draft and/or acquire three quarterbacks. They’ll start from scratch. Would any sane man, woman or child allow Edwards, Father Time and The Artist Formerly Known as King Carl to select KC’s next three quarterbacks?


Herm’s claim to quarterback fame is that he fell in love with Bill Parcells’ weak-armed thrower, Chad Pennington. Curl’s claim to QB fame is far more impressive. Father Time guided an NFL Europe offense that featured future NFL journeyman Jon Kitna. Curl also was QB coach/offensive coordinator of some unforgettable-but-totally-forgotten 1980s offenses at Virginia, Rutgers and Boston College. As you can see, Curl’s QB resume is as decorated as Bill Walsh’s.

But it is not quite as sparkling as Carl Peterson’s. There is not enough room to list all of the gifted quarterbacks Peterson has identified. Let’s just say it would be negligent not to mention Mike Elkins, Matt “Draft Blunder” Blundin, Pat Barnes and Elvis Grbac.

Given the collective QB brain power at Arrowhead Stadium, Chiefs fans have every reason to feel confident that when Edwards, Curl, Peterson and Bill Kuharich heave a dart at a board, it is very likely to land on the NFL’s next great QB.

Now what? I suggest you spend the rest of the season fantasizing about Clark Hunt taking the obvious necessary steps to improve his football franchise.
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:49 PM   #61
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yeah good article but he needs to lay off Glenn, this IS HIS first year. so you cant say bust this early!
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:51 PM   #62
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That's simply a statement of fact, it doesn't have anything to do with defending herm.
What did Gun leave for Vermeil??


DV rebuilt the team in 3 years. He didnt go with the draft and youth, but he did rebuild.


Anyhow, I dont see how anyone could defend Herm at this point. Every move he has made including the draft has been an Epic Fail. Thats no exaggeration. Heck, you could even make an argument DV *GULP* drafted better than Herm.
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:59 PM   #64
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Vermeil didn't leave much, but what he left was a lot better than what Herm has obtained. DJ is still one of the better defensemen on the team, Jared Allen would be the best DL by far had they not traded him, Kawika Mitchell is a lot better than anyone Herm has brought aboard. CB is the only spot that might be improved and we don't really know yet since teams are content running the ball for 200+ yards per game.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:22 PM   #65
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Blaming Vermeil 3 years after the fact is rich. Did Vermeil leave the kitchen any barer than Buffalo or Green Bay? Did he leave it barer than Herm did in New York?

The only question I have from this article with all the negative comments about how the whole program is being run, why isn't Whitlock calling for immediate firings?
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:26 PM   #66
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The only question I have from this article with all the negative comments about how the whole program is being run, why isn't Whitlock calling for immediate firings?
Probably because it wouldnt make much difference even though it deserves to happen.

Who knows? It certainly worked out ok for the Rams.
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Old 10-20-2008, 05:48 PM   #68
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Hopefully, this latest blowout will make Herm defenders an endangered species. Anyone who follows the NFL knows what we are witnessing now is not the standard rebuilding through the draft model.

Looking at the stats, not just W-L, but dig deeper, and you will find that the 2007 Chiefs are one of the worst teams in the last ten years. For instance, based on power rankings, we are the worst team since the 2004 SF 49ers, coached by Dennis Erickson. Question: did Dennis Erickson ever get it turned around, and win a SB? **** no. Make the playoffs? Can't remember, but don't think so. Only with bad NFL coaches like Erickson and Herm Edwards can your team be so completely inept. Go back further, and find similarly bad teams (not record-wise, but utterly being dominated teams), and you simply won't find coaches who turned it around. They were fired, and their NFL careers were over.

I just don't think some of you guys on here realize how bad we are. Herm Edwards is not just a bad coach, he is a stunningly bad coach.

[Edit: and just to preempt against the inevitable 1989 Cowboys comparison -- look at the raw stats -- they were nowhere near as bad as this.]
Fringe, I did not support the all-rookies-and-a-few-cheap-FAs approach, but the 2008 Chiefs have only played 6 games. There is no turnaround on the horizon, but things could conceivably get better as adjustments are made and players are shuffled in and out. My heavens, its hard to imagine things getting worse.

There is a temptation to perceive Herm as in over his head, but he's been a part of too many good teams for that. He's elected to gut the Vermiel Chiefs (only after any chance of them competing for the post-season, which they did in 2006) and start all over again. That is what many, many Chiefs fans have been hollering for since Marty resigned.

This team's primary weakness (other than personnel) is a swiss cheese rushing _efense. If the Chiefs were holding opponents to 120 YPG we might be 3-3 now despite all the problems at QB. Unless the hemorraging is stopped, the wheels will not only come off, but the axles as well. And yes, that could mean massive firings/cuts.

Mr. Hunt knew this was coming. As a good business man, you have to give the plan you signed on to a chance to unfold. Herm will not be in serious trouble with the FO unless we win less than 6 games next year.
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Fringe, I did not support the all-rookies-and-a-few-cheap-FAs approach, but the 2008 Chiefs have only played 6 games. There is no turnaround on the horizon, but things could conceivably get better as adjustments are made and players are shuffled in and out. My heavens, its hard to imagine things getting worse.

There is a temptation to perceive Herm as in over his head, but he's been a part of too many good teams for that. He's elected to gut the Vermiel Chiefs (only after any chance of them competing for the post-season, which they did in 2006) and start all over again. That is what many, many Chiefs fans have been hollering for since Marty resigned.

This team's primary weakness (other than personnel) is a swiss cheese rushing _efense. If the Chiefs were holding opponents to 120 YPG we might be 3-3 now despite all the problems at QB. Unless the hemorraging is stopped, the wheels will not only come off, but the axles as well. And yes, that could mean massive firings/cuts.

Mr. Hunt knew this was coming. As a good business man, you have to give the plan you signed on to a chance to unfold. Herm will not be in serious trouble with the FO unless we win less than 6 games next year.
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yeah good article but he needs to lay off Glenn, this IS HIS first year. so you cant say bust this early!

Agreed. Neil Smith wasn't great his first year, nor Mario Williams. The first year is a learning year, and since this great "move toward youth even if they're not the best players" movement, there are few veterans to learn from, which slows down the young players' development anyway.
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Neil Smith benefited greatly from DT. And when I say, "greatly", I mean "greatly".

Plus, that flinch move was a beaut.

Until they outlawed it.

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Neil Smith benefited greatly from DT. And when I say, "greatly", I mean "greatly".

Plus, that flinch move was a beaut.

Until they outlawed it.

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That was the best. Who knows how many close wins we got from him doing that through many, many games.
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Where are all the brave souls who cried for ripping it out by the roots? Starting from scratch? Total ground-to-roof rebuild? Now that we're in the throes of total humiliation, have you lost the stomach for what you most desired?
So, we've ripped it out by the roots, started from scratch, and a myriad of other clichés. Let me know when we start building, m-kay?


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That's exactly what this team needs, more reason to run up the guard's ass on every other play, 2 yards at a time.

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What further proof do you need that this guy has no freakin' clue what he's doing?!?! He had the defensive effort against the Colts in the playoffs a couple of years ago, and his inept gameplan held us to ZERO first downs for the first 40 minutes of the game. He, once again, had the defensive effort against the Colts in Indianapolis several months later, and after Brodie/Brokie/Brittle/Shattered Dreams Croyle lead the Chiefs down for the touchdown, Herm packed it up and then said after the game that he was hoping to win the game on the last play, because "we were in a defensive game".... AGAINST PEYTON FL***ING MANNING!!

Do you think Carolina was bad this year? It's not a one time thing... it's an annual thing with Herm...
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...6&postcount=46
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...2&postcount=43

Those are just a couple of examples of incompetence before this year's gem. New OC, yet the gameplan hasn't changed... and it STILL doesn't work. We haven't just lost games, we aren't even competitive in any facet of the game. It's not rebuilding if things aren't improving, it's not rebuilding if nothing changes. His control of the offense is obviously slowing down any possible hope for an improvement on that side of the ball, and we completely suck on his side of the ball... on top of that, he's already lost the players, and we aren't half way through the season.

I get why the Chiefs can't become an impatient franchise... they can't give up on coaches every few years, or else there will never be any stability or consistency... players will be forced to learn a new system every few years, and that's how teams become awful and stay awful.

However, it's beyond impatience. Make Herm a scout for all I care, but get him away from the sidelines, away from the coordinators, and away from the players. He's clueless, and in the words of Ron White, you can't fix stupid.

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There is no turnaround on the horizon, but things could conceivably get better as adjustments are made and players are shuffled in and out.
We're still talking about Herm, right? Adjustments? Does he even gameplan for a specific team? The previous links prove that he doesn't adjust. The philosophy is always the same, and it won't change with talent. And if it's taken him this long to shuffle out players like McIntosh, we're either void of talent and it's not going to help, or Herm's freakin' clueless.

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"Don't make it worse" is a bottom-of-the-barrel expectation. So, they said it would get worse before it got better. It did. A lot worse. It's not getting any worse, but it's sure as hell not getting any better.

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Prior to the NYJ job, he had never once been responsible for creating or carrying out a gameplan. Before then, he had zero head coaching experience and zero coordinator experience. Being responsible for DBs is a helluva long way from being able to manage both sides of the ball, manage players, the coordinators, clock, and game. Temptation? Where's the proof otherwise?
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