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Old 11-23-2008, 12:25 PM  
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BCS
1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. Oklahoma
4. Florida
5. USC
6. Utah
7. Texas Tech
8. Penn State
9. Boise State
10. ohio state
11. Georgia
12. Oklahoma State
13. Missouri
14. TCU
15. Ball State
16. Cincinnati
17. Oregon State
18. BYU
19. Michigan State
20. Florida State
21. Boston College
22. Georgia Tech
23. Oregon
24. Northwestern
25. Pittsburgh

Harris
1. Alabama (108)
2. Florida (3)
3. Oklahoma (2)
4. Texas
5. Southern Cal
6. Penn State
7. Texas Tech
8. Utah (1)
9. Boise State
10. ohio state
11. Missouri
12. Oklahoma State
13. Georgia
14. Ball State
15. TCU
16. Cincinnati
17. Oregon State
18. BYU
19. Oregon
20. Boston College
21. Michigan State
22. Georgia Tech
23. Florida State
24. Northwestern
25. Pittsburgh

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1. Alabama (56)
2. Oklahoma (4)
3. Florida (1)
4. Texas
5. Southern Cal
6. Penn State
7. Utah
8. Texas Tech
9. Boise State
10. ohio state
11. Missouri
12. Oklahoma State
13. Georgia
14. TCU
15. Ball State
16. Cincinnati
17. Oregon State
18. Oregon
19. BYU
20. Northwestern
21. Michigan State
22. Boston College
23. Georgia Tech
24. Florida State
25. West Virginia

AP
1. Alabama (63)
2. Florida (2)
3. Oklahoma
4. Texas
5. Southern Cal
6. Penn State
7. Texas Tech
8. Utah
9. Boise State
10. ohio state
11. Oklahoma State
12. Missouri
13. Georgia
14. TCU
15. Ball State
16. Cincinnati
17. Oregon State
18. Georgia Tech
19. Oregon
20. BYU
20. Boston College
22. Michigan State
23. Florida State
24. Northwestern
25. Mississippi
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:53 PM   #61
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Make sense? The only reason it doesn't "make sense" to you is because you decided where to stop the merry-go-round. T-Tech beats texas, OU massacres T-Tech, OU T-Tech occurs later than OU-Texas, "supposedly" reflecting how good teams are at the present time. This is the BCS, it isn't supposed to "make sense", its a judgement call, and right now OU looks better than Texas, the mid-season result (which OU led til midway through the 4th quarter and lost a key LB) notwithstanding.

By the way, I'm not an OU fan.

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Post #54 pretty much what I said....I am also am not an OU fan
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:54 PM   #62
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Good point.

Texas should be ranked ahead of Oklahoma who should be ranked ahead of Texas Tech who should be ranked ahead of Texas.

The transitive property in football makes perfect sense.
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:57 PM   #63
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And with 1 game, the big 12 is most likely held out of the championship game. Stupid ass league.
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:57 PM   #64
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Florida's OOC of Miami and FSU aren't creampuffs either. Alabama also got their first big win against, at that time, #9 Clemson. The Big XII is top-heavy this year and deeper at the top than the SEC. However, the SEC is still better top to bottom. There aren't any teams as bad as Baylor, Texas A&M and Iowa State in the SEC.
The Big 12 is easily superior to the SEC any way you slice it. The top 2 teams in each league are pretty much a wash. You've got Florida and Alabama versus Oklahoma and Texas. That's basically a push.

Then you've got three Big 12 teams ranked ahead of the next SEC team (Texas Tech, Missouri, and Ok State before GA).

After that, there is a pretty big drop off for both conferences. Nebraska is probably playing better football than any unranked team in the SEC. Kansas and LSU are about in the same boat. After that, you've got a bunch of also rans at the bottom.

What makes the SEC even close in your opinion?
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:58 PM   #65
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The way I see the BCS shaping up if the season ended today:

BCS National Championship: Florida/Alabama vs Texas/Oklahoma
Orange Bowl: Georgia Tech/Florida state vs USC
Rose Bowl: Penn St vs Oregon State
Sugar Bowl: Florida/Alabama vs Cincinnati
Fiesta Bowl: Texas/Oklahoma vs Utah

The at-large bids would be USC, Florida/Alabama, and Texas/Oklahoma. Utah gets an automatic bid.

The selection process works such that:
- the Sugar and Fiesta would first pick replacements for the NCG teams: Sugar taking the loser of Florida/Alabama and Fiesta taking whichever of Texas/OU doesn't make the NCG.
- Rose bowl is set as Big 10 champ vs Pac 10 champ
- Orange gets ACC Champ

then to fill out the bowls the selection order goes Fiesta, Sugar, Orange.

In years past the Fiesta has taken the non-BCS conference at-large/automatic bid plus Utah is close to Glendale so I threw Utah in the Fiesta Bowl.

The SEC has often taken the Big East Champ so I threw Cincinnati there.

That leaves USC going to the Orange Bowl.

Not the greatest matchups, but it's how I see it going.

If I were picking the matchups still following the selection procedure I'd set the bowl games as follows:

BCS National Championship: Florida/Alabama vs Texas/Oklahoma
Orange: Florida State/Ga Tech vs Cincinnati
Rose: Penn State vs Oregon State
Sugar: Florida/Alabama vs USC**
Fiesta: Texas/Oklahoma vs Utah**

** If Florida goes to the Sugar I would have Florida vs USC. If Alabama goes I'd have Alabama vs Utah and USC in the Fiesta.
Funny how you chose Florida ahead of the no loss team........

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Old 11-23-2008, 05:03 PM   #66
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And with 1 game, the big 12 is most likely held out of the championship game. Stupid ass league.
Ever since they forced that championship game into the mix the big 12 has done an excellent job of screwing itself over.
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Good point.

Texas should be ranked ahead of Oklahoma who should be ranked ahead of Texas Tech who should be ranked ahead of Texas.

The transitive property in football makes perfect sense.
the question is simple

who is better? OU or UT?

it was decided on the field

it ain't rocket philosophy

if you want to argue that actual games don't matter, then you should be arguing that UT's loss on the road, on the last play, to TT is not important...easy to imagine that UT would have won if that game were in Austin...

but UT/OU played on a neutral field, so the argument holds no water
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Florida playing Citadel makes Florida a worse team?
If you are gonna schedule cream puffs like this, do it early in the season. Completely asinine, and indefensible.
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the question is simple

who is better? OU or UT?

it was decided on the field

it ain't rocket philosophy

if you want to argue that actual games don't matter, then you should be arguing that UT's loss on the road, on the last play, to TT is not important...easy to imagine that UT would have won if that game were in Austin...

but UT/OU played on a neutral field, so the argument holds no water
Exactly. Pretty much the only scenario where a Texas team that BEAT OU gets to the BCS title game over OU is if OU loses in the next two weeks or Florida loses next week then goes on to beat Alabama, setting up a re-match of OU/UT.
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the question is simple

who is better? OU or UT?

it was decided on the field

it ain't rocket philosophy

if you want to argue that actual games don't matter, then you should be arguing that UT's loss on the road, on the last play, to TT is not important...easy to imagine that UT would have won if that game were in Austin...

but UT/OU played on a neutral field, so the argument holds no water
So one game should determine the season, and we should disregard what OU just did to Tech?
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So one game should determine the season, and we should disregard what OU just did to Tech?
When the one game is a head to head matchup of teams, YES.
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Seeing as Florida is going to play Alabama this argument is stupid whoever wins that game is in period.
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When the one game is a head to head matchup of teams, YES.
Then all three of them should be ranked equally.
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How big of a favorite is Florida going to be against Alabama? At least a TD...
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Seeing as Florida is going to play Alabama this argument is stupid whoever wins that game is in period.
Hopefully MU doesn't screw everything up.
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