Brian Waters?

[Reerun_KC]

[MikeMaslowski]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

6 wins in 30 games is down right sickening.

Yes Sir.......... thats a rep, just cuz im drunk and feel that way.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Question:

Should winning be important to a team that is rebuilding?

Of course it's important.

I wrote that from the possible perspective of the new GM and what his reasons could possibly be for retaining Herm.

If Clark Hunt weren't the owner, I'd expect Herm and the coaching staff to be fired once the GM is in place. But it would not shock me to see Herm as the coach in 2009 for the reasons I stated, along with Clark's support of Herm.

Would I be happy to see Edwards replaced with a more competent X's and O's gameday coach? Absolutely.

Make no mistake about that.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Of course it's important.

Then why keep a guy on that gets in the way of winning?

For all the talk about how little talent this team has, you can't honestly tell me they wouldn't have at LEAST 5-6 wins with a competent coach.

Why hold these kids back?

Bringing in a new HC allows these kids to not only develop, but to learn how how win.

Keeping HE in charge means only one of those things is going to take place.

We all know which one...

[smittysbar]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Then why keep a guy on that gets in the way of winning?

For all the talk about how little talent this team has, you can't honestly tell me they wouldn't have at LEAST 5-6 wins with a competent coach.

Why hold these kids back?

Bringing in a new HC allows these kids to not only develop, but to learn how how win.

Keeping HE in charge means only one of those things is going to take place.

We all know which one...

So true,

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

For all the talk about how little talent this team has, you can't honestly tell me they wouldn't have at LEAST 5-6 wins with a competent coach.

I don't agree with that.

I look at it from the other perspective: I can't friggin' believe that the Chiefs are even IN these games given the lack of talent on the right side of the offensive line, at WR, at LB and especially at DE. Yet other people think Herm needs to go in spite of these blatant deficiencies.

The Chiefs could have won in NY (I was there and said "Oh, shit!" when they punted with 5:35 left).

The would have beat Tampa without injuries to DJ and Flowers.

They may have won in San Diego had it not been for the missed extra point.

They may have beat San Diego this past weekend had it not been for Bowe's mishap and two misses FG's.

They may have beat Denver in Denver but the defense couldn't hold.

But they didn't and people want him fired, as if any other coach could have coached around the lack of talent and depth. As I said earlier, it's not like the Chiefs have the talent and depth of the Cowboys, Giants or Panthers.

I don't get it.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't agree with that.

I look at it from the other perspective: I can't friggin' believe that the Chiefs are even IN these games given the lack of talent on the right side of the offensive line, at WR, at LB and especially at DE. Yet other people think Herm needs to go in spite of these blatant deficiencies.

The Chiefs could have won in NY (I was there and said "Oh, shit!" when they punted with 5:35 left).

The would have beat Tampa without injuries to DJ and Flowers.

They may have won in San Diego had it not been for the missed extra point.

They may have beat San Diego this past weekend had it not been for Bowe's mishap and two misses FG's.

They may have beat Denver in Denver but the defense couldn't hold.

But they didn't and people want him fired, as if any other coach could have coached around the lack of talent and depth. As I said earlier, it's not like the Chiefs have the talent and depth of the Cowboys, Giants or Panthers.

I don't get it.

This is going to be my last post about this because you obviously see Herm in a much, much different light than I do.

I believe the breaks go to the coaches that deserve them. Herm just isn't a good head coach. You think he is, but he has a 7-year track record of being a terribly mediocre head coach.

I don't want someone mediocre leading this team into the future.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't agree with that.

I look at it from the other perspective: I can't friggin' believe that the Chiefs are even IN these games given the lack of talent on the right side of the offensive line, at WR, at LB and especially at DE. Yet other people think Herm needs to go in spite of these blatant deficiencies.

The Chiefs could have won in NY (I was there and said "Oh, shit!" when they punted with 5:35 left).

The would have beat Tampa without injuries to DJ and Flowers.

They may have won in San Diego had it not been for the missed extra point.

They may have beat San Diego this past weekend had it not been for Bowe's mishap and two misses FG's.

They may have beat Denver in Denver but the defense couldn't hold.

But they didn't and people want him fired, as if any other coach could have coached around the lack of talent and depth. As I said earlier, it's not like the Chiefs have the talent and depth of the Cowboys, Giants or Panthers.

I don't get it.

No one is claiming they have the talent of Dallas, New York or Carolina, Dane.

They obviously HAVE enough talent to be in these games, and it's painfully obvious to ANYONE watching that piss-poor coaching decisions are turning potential wins into losses.

Other coaches wouldn't be playing not-to-lose.

Other coaches wouldn't be so reckless with time management.

Other coaches wouldn't employ an OC who's 2nd half playcalling is so predictable, that the other team and the freaking FANS watching on TV are calling out what's going to happen before the snap.

So sorry, I have to call bullshit when you say another coach couldn't have coached around this so-called lack of talent and depth.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by LOCOChief

OMG that's why I'm not flying anywhere for Christmas.

My call sign is Walleye.

Here is a picture of me the other day...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

This is going to be my last post about this because you obviously see Herm in a much, much different light than I do.

I believe the breaks go to the coaches that deserve them. Herm just isn't a good head coach. You think he is, but he has a 7-year track record of being a terribly mediocre head coach.

I don't want someone mediocre leading this team into the future.

I get that, I really do. And I agree. I've never stated that Herm is a "great" coach by any means.

He's a "good" coach, having coached four teams to the playoffs. But he's not great.

And I hope he's replaced with someone who becomes a great coach.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Other coaches wouldn't be playing not-to-lose.

Are you referring to coaches who haven't fallen from the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree? If so, I agree.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Other coaches wouldn't employ an OC who's 2nd half playcalling is so predictable, that the other team and the freaking FANS watching on TV are calling out what's going to happen before the snap.

So in your opinion, Chan Gailey should be unemployed? Interesting.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So sorry, I have to call bullshit when you say another coach couldn't have coached around this so-called lack of talent and depth.

Like who? Chris Palmer? Dom Capers? Jim Fassell? Brian Billick? Jack Del Rio? Marvin Lewis? Jim Zorn? Rod Marinelli? Tom Cable? Norv Turner? Scott Linehan? Jim Haslett? Need I go on?

You must really believe that Herm is worthless by making that statement. In case you hadn't noticed, there are coaches that are hired and fired every year that are far worse than Herm Edwards.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Are you referring to coaches who haven't fallen from the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree? If so, I agree.



So in your opinion, Chan Gailey should be unemployed? Interesting.



Like who? Chris Palmer? Dom Capers? Jim Fassell? Brian Billick? Jack Del Rio? Marvin Lewis? Jim Zorn? Rod Marinelli? Tom Cable? Norv Turner? Scott Linehan? Jim Haslett? Need I go on?

You must really believe that Herm is worthless by making that statement. In case you hadn't noticed, there are coaches that are hired and fired every year that are far worse than Herm Edwards.

I would bet everything I own that if Billick, Del Rio, Haslett, Fassel or Lewis were the coach of this team, as is, we'd have more than TWO ****ing wins.

And regarding Gailey:

No, overall, I haven't been terribly impressed.

When the overwhelming majority of your running plays in key situations are behind the weakest part of your line - I have a problem with that.

When you're giving the ball to LJ 4 times in the 2nd half - I have a problem with that.

When your go-to plays in a goal-to-go scenario are the goddamn fade pass and a QB draw - I have a problem with that.

When your 2nd half play calling is as dry and predictable as the last guy who ran the offense - I have a problem with that.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I would bet everything I own that if Billick, Del Rio, Haslett, Fassel or Lewis were the coach of this team, as is, we'd have more than TWO ****ing wins.

Wow, I highly doubt it. Del Rio's got a much more talented Jacksonville squad, yet he's only got 5 wins this year.

Haslett's probably coaching an equally talented squad and he's got two.

Lewis has a more talented squad (offensively for certain) and he's got three.

I'm sorry, I just don't see how you can win with guys like Adrian Jones, Rudy Niwanger, Damion McIntosh, Jason Babin, Rocky Boiman and Demorrio Williams as your starters (let alone Devard Darling) playing KEY positions (and a 7th round I-AA 2nd year QB to boot).

When you have THAT many holes that need to filled, you're going to lose a LOT of games.

Period.

I said the Chiefs would win 3 games at most back in May and you disagreed. Now that it's likely, you blame Edwards and Gailey, when the blame clearly lies at the feet of Carl Peterson for not providing his head coach with even AVERAGE talent at key positions.

[smittysbar]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm sorry, I just don't see how you can win with guys like Adrian Jones, Rudy Niwanger, Damion McIntosh, Jason Babin, Rocky Boiman and Demorrio Williams as your starters (let alone Devard Darling) playing KEY positions (and a 7th round I-AA 2nd year QB to boot).

Herm put those guys on his team......

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by smittysbar

Herm put those guys on his team......

Herm is only responsible for the talented players and their developement, Peterson is responsible for everything else...

[Tribal Warfare]

of course they are having a circle jerk concerning Herm, He's buddies with them now and they know where they stand with him. Does that make him the right guy for the job? hell no, a reeruned monkey on PCP could've managed the Charger game to a win. Herm just ass****ed himself with that instance, and it was the breaking point that got Carl fired this season.