Chiefs Falcons after Gonzalez - Page 5

The Poz · 04-12-2009, 10:29 AM

Sorry if re-post, didn't see it anywhere.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=NFL&id=1331

The Falcons are reportedly interested in trading for Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez.
The National Football Post's Michael Lombardi says the Falcons are "seriously considering" the option, with their second-round pick as bait. Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt is attached to his franchise icon, but he might be convinced to part ways as the team rebuilds.

Atlanta has the 55th pick in the second. Maybe Jarron Gilbert or Paul Kruger although I'd rather see Tony stick it out here.

bdeg · 04-12-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam

The Chiefs second-rounders are irrelevant. Let's look at how the Pats have done recently:

2000 - RB - J.R. Redmond - Off team
2001 - OT - Matt Light - Pro-Bowler
2002 - WR - Deion Branch - Traded for first round pick in 2006
2003a - DB - Eugene Wilson - Off team
2003b - WR - Bethel Johnson - Off team
2004 - DE - Marquise Hill - Off team
2005 - (no pick)
2006 - WR - Chad Jackson - Off team
2007 - (no pick)
2008 - CB - Terrence Wheatley - Started 6 of 8 games before injury

I was thinking about this and that other thread claiming the Pats had the worst drafting record, and there are two factors not adequately taken into account:

It's a team loaded with talent. Many more difficult decisions than the Chiefs have been faced with. Also, they're typically picking at the end of every round. Over the long run, they would need to have ridiculously superior drafting to meet the average first rounder/any rounder(but especially the first).

Hootie · 04-12-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, and he runs around here proud of it.

At least I don't run around here like a know-it-all GM...

Are you typing with one hand and jerking Mecca off with the other?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-12-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Relax guy.

I'm only saying I don't think Pioli pulls the trigger for just a 2nd round pick.

So which is it?

Nothing less than a WOW offer, or a 2nd and a 5th?

wild1 · 04-12-2009, 11:32 AM

If they are offering a second rounder I would take that deal instantly.

Just Passin' By · 04-12-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam

The Chiefs second-rounders are irrelevant. Let's look at how the Pats have done recently:

2000 - RB - J.R. Redmond - Off team
2001 - OT - Matt Light - Pro-Bowler
2002 - WR - Deion Branch - Traded for first round pick in 2006
2003a - DB - Eugene Wilson - Off team
2003b - WR - Bethel Johnson - Off team
2004 - DE - Marquise Hill - Off team
2005 - (no pick)
2006 - WR - Chad Jackson - Off team
2007 - (no pick)
2008 - CB - Terrence Wheatley - Started 6 of 8 games before injury

Branch - Super Bowl MVP
Light - 2 time Pro Bowler, 1 time All Pro
Wilson - excellent safety until injuries caught up with him. Now with Texans
Hill - Not on team BECAUSE HE DIED
Jackson - Major disappointment in NE, but still in league
Johnson - Good at returns. Too stubborn to adapt to NFL. Legit bust
Wheatley - Had taken over starter's job before getting hurt
Redmond - Drafted in the 3rd round, not 2nd

Hootie · 04-12-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So which is it?

Nothing less than a WOW offer, or a 2nd and a 5th?

Well fortunately Pioli has all of the leverage, so we'll see...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-12-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

At least I don't run around here like a know-it-all GM...

Are you typing with one hand and jerking Mecca off with the other?

Nope.

If you stayed sober long enough to read, you'd know that there are few people that have head-butted with Mecca more than me on this forum.

I'm shocked you're posting this early, I figured you'd be busy kicking the girl you date-raped last night out of your place.

milkman · 04-12-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So which is it?

Nothing less than a WOW offer, or a 2nd and a 5th?

I think he mean't a second, a fifth, and a ShamWow.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-12-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I think he mean't a second, a fifth, and a ShamWow.

Knowing Hootie it was a 2nd, and a fifth of whiskey.

Frazod · 04-12-2009, 11:36 AM

I'd hate to see him go, but I'm sick of his whining. I'm fine with it either way.

Frankie · 04-12-2009, 11:38 AM

How about Gonzo and LJ for their 1st instead? Turner will need a breather once in a while. Tell you what, I'd throw in our second 7th rounder just good measure.

bdeg · 04-12-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by orange

According to Mike Lombardi - the source of the ATL/Gonzalez rumor - the Chiefs won't have to go trade into the second to go OL:

If one of the two offensive tackles (Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe) slips to Seattle at No. 4, the Seahawks would make the move and select either one, as Walter Jones is not a sure thing to be healthy at the start of the season. Seattle values character and will remove many players from its board for that reason. Smith and Monroe meet their character qualifications. But I doubt either player makes it to Seattle at four.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...unday-edition/

Maybe he thinks someone will trade up for him, needing the last top OT and expecting Seattle to take him.

wild1 · 04-12-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

How about Gonzo and LJ for their 1st instead? Turner will need a breather once in a while. Tell you what, I'd throw in our second 7th rounder just good measure.

I don't know why anyone would want Johnson, presumably if they trade for him then they get his contract, and thus his (way too high) salary will be guaranteed.

soundmind · 04-12-2009, 11:39 AM

What TEs are left on the market for us to acquire when Tony gets shipped though? I know some people think the TE is about two spots higher on the roster than the punter - but they're important. Having TGon means you have an extension of the OL and a legitimate receiving THREAT....88 has shown zero signs of slowing down. He may only play a couple years, but I do not see his production slipping.

Not to mention, if it's your intention to give Cassel some weapons, why trade the best TE to ever play the game???

milkman · 04-12-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

How about Gonzo and LJ for their 1st instead? Turner will need a breather once in a while. Tell you what, I'd throw in our second 7th rounder just good measure.

Falcons don't have any need for LJ.

Turner and Norwood are an outstanding 1-2 punch.

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soundmind EB:29 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10004900	What TEs are left on the market for us to acquire when Tony gets shipped though? I know some people think the TE is about two spots higher on the roster than the punter - but they're important. Having TGon means you have an extension of the OL and a legitimate receiving THREAT....88 has shown zero signs of slowing down. He may only play a couple years, but I do not see his production slipping. Not to mention, if it's your intention to give Cassel some weapons, why trade the best TE to ever play the game???
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