Chiefs We are ***OFFICIALLY*** the worst team in the NFL. - Page 5

**BigRedChief** · 09-28-2009, 06:50 AM

The Lions won today. The Raiders beat us in our home opener and couldn't have looked worse today. Who's left?..Bueller....Buelller...Thats right it's us.

Thats the reality. How'd we get from being one of the top teams in 2003 to the worse in 6 years? IMHO,

Talent.

It's obvious to anyone that our problem is talent. We are deficient in talent at just about every position.

Drafting Decisions:
King Carl after Marty left and then Dick Vermiel had horrible drafts that we are paying for now. I had so many King Carl must go threads and rants on here, people were pissed off by the number. King Carl was fired so at least we are moving on.

I'll withhold judgement on Pioli until we see if Cassell and Jackson pan out. Cassell is running for his life. He showed some passion at home last week. That was one beautiful throw to the corner of the end zone. Lots of potential upside. Many a defensive lineman has been just okay in their first few years in the league and then became studs. It's rare that a DL makes a impact right away. So we just have to wait for a final decision on Jackson.

Free Agency decisions.:
Again, King Carl whiffed on so many, it would be impossible to detail all those poor decision here. But, I think we are all in agreement that he sucked the big one in this catagory also.

I don't remember any FA that we let go to another team that could have helped us this off season. Any pickups that could have turned around the team this year. Woudn't have mattered this year. Again, Pioli gets a pass this year from me for FA decisions, but not next year.

I can't blame Haley for this mess. Lombardi and Parcells couldn't make this team a winner with this talent level. Pioli can't make the team a winner in one off season. Maybe Haley can't coach or run a team. but with this serious lack of talent how can we judge him after 3 games that he sucks?

If we don't see a vast effort to improve the talent on the team this off season, then I'll join the chorus of "off with their heads". but for now I'll just suffer on a weekly basis seeing this once proud team reduced to being the worst team in football.

suds79 · 09-28-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs

The Chiefs won on Sept 28th 2008... and once in November... after today, the Chiefs will have won ONE game in a YEAR... including preseason.

Well let's not settle for average. November is just around the corner.... I think we can do it!

**BigRedChief** · 09-28-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

This place is so depressing I decided to spend the morning on the Jayhawk board. So I go over there and guess what they are talking about? Yep. How shitty the Chiefs are.

Hey, this thread isn't blaming any coach of GM besides those that are no longer here. That means there is hope. Just right now, we suck. no way around that. not enough lipstick to cover this pig.

**BigRedChief** · 09-28-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

My question is why couldn't they have done more to address that serious lack of talent? We have plenty of cap space. To the point that we were forced to spend money because we didn't hit the minimum. Why wasn't there more effort to address the serious lack of talent when we had the resources to do so? We all knew we had a lack of talent. And they can't fix it in one offseason. But it still doesn't look like they did nearly as much as they could have...

I have been all over the Chiefs for not using all their cap room some years but in this case who should they have spent it on? T.O.? give me a break. Who else was out there we could have got in FA since Pioli came on board?

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I have been all over the Chiefs for not using all their cap room some years but in this case who should they have spent it on? T.O.? give me a break. Who else was out there we could have got in FA since Pioli came on board?

Seriously?

There were plenty of guys that would have been immediate upgrades and they've been listed throughout these type of threads time and time again.

**DeezNutz** · 09-28-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Seriously?

There were plenty of guys that would have been immediate upgrades and they've been listed throughout these type of threads time and time again.

Wind, meet piss.

No one wants to believe that Pioli could have done anything. Peterson and Herm aren't here, and that's enough.

RippedmyFlesh · 09-28-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Seriously?

There were plenty of guys that would have been immediate upgrades and they've been listed throughout these type of threads time and time again.

You are correct but that does not mean they WANTED to come here.

**BigRedChief** · 09-28-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Seriously?

There were plenty of guys that would have been immediate upgrades and they've been listed throughout these type of threads time and time again.

okay, name them?

**DeezNutz** · 09-28-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

okay, name them?

Read through one of the latest Whitlock threads. The possibilities were named at least 4-5 times.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

You are correct but that does not mean they WANTED to come here.

Well, money talks and bullshit walks.

Vrabel didn't want to be in KC but guess what? It's highly unlikely that any team in the league would pay him $3.5 million dollars this year.

Plenty of successful players from successful teams move each and every year, from good teams to bad teams.

It's all about the green.

Fish · 09-28-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I have been all over the Chiefs for not using all their cap room some years but in this case who should they have spent it on? T.O.? give me a break. Who else was out there we could have got in FA since Pioli came on board?

You really don't believe we could have brought in anybody better? With our cap space?

Fish · 09-28-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, money talks and bullshit walks.

Vrabel didn't want to be in KC but guess what? It's highly unlikely that any team in the league would pay him $3.5 million dollars this year.

Plenty of successful players from successful teams move each and every year, from good teams to bad teams.

It's all about the green.

Exactly. The Chiefs are overloaded with the most important incentive available for luring in FAs.... $

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

okay, name them?

Okay, for the LAST ****ing time:

Derrick Ward
Heath Evans
Lavernues Coles
T.J. Houshmanzadeh
Vernon Carey
Jason Brown
Orlando Pace
Ray Willis
Tra Thomas
Floyd Womack
Greg Ellis
Chris Canty
Michael Boley

Any of these guys would have been upgrades and would have allowed the Chiefs to go a different direction in the draft.

I'd take Canty over Tyson Jackson everyday of the week. A few of these guys like Thomas and Pace would have been one year stop gaps but they'd be better than SackIntosh or Ndudwe.

Bowe, Housh and Bradley/Wade would have been a nice WR corp and Ward would have been an improvement over Battle. Heath Evans versus Mike Cox is a no brainer.

htismaqe · 09-28-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, money talks and bullshit walks.

Vrabel didn't want to be in KC but guess what? It's highly unlikely that any team in the league would pay him $3.5 million dollars this year.

Plenty of successful players from successful teams move each and every year, from good teams to bad teams.

It's all about the green.

Lot's of players move from bad teams to good team to. Sometimes it's not about the green, it's about the rings. Ask Tony Gonzales.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Lot's of players move from bad teams to good team to. Sometimes it's not about the green, it's about the rings. Ask Tony Gonzales.

That's a given and most certainly does not apply in this situation.

htismaqe · 09-28-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Exactly. The Chiefs are overloaded with the most important incentive available for luring in FAs.... $

Cap room doesn't have anything to do with it.

Players want guaranteed money, which means signing bonuses.

You'd think Chiefs fans would understand this by now - it doesn't matter how much cap space we have, it matters if Mr. Hunt wants to open the checkbook and spend.

Like Mecca has said repeatedly, they gave Cassel and Jackson their money and they were done.

09-28-2009, 06:50 AM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-861038 VARSITY	We are OFFICIALLY the worst team in the NFL. The Lions won today. The Raiders beat us in our home opener and couldn't have looked worse today. Who's left?..Bueller....Buelller...Thats right it's us. Thats the reality. How'd we get from being one of the top teams in 2003 to the worse in 6 years? IMHO, Talent. It's obvious to anyone that our problem is talent. We are deficient in talent at just about every position. Drafting Decisions: King Carl after Marty left and then Dick Vermiel had horrible drafts that we are paying for now. I had so many King Carl must go threads and rants on here, people were pissed off by the number. King Carl was fired so at least we are moving on. I'll withhold judgement on Pioli until we see if Cassell and Jackson pan out. Cassell is running for his life. He showed some passion at home last week. That was one beautiful throw to the corner of the end zone. Lots of potential upside. Many a defensive lineman has been just okay in their first few years in the league and then became studs. It's rare that a DL makes a impact right away. So we just have to wait for a final decision on Jackson. Free Agency decisions.: Again, King Carl whiffed on so many, it would be impossible to detail all those poor decision here. But, I think we are all in agreement that he sucked the big one in this catagory also. I don't remember any FA that we let go to another team that could have helped us this off season. Any pickups that could have turned around the team this year. Woudn't have mattered this year. Again, Pioli gets a pass this year from me for FA decisions, but not next year. I can't blame Haley for this mess. Lombardi and Parcells couldn't make this team a winner with this talent level. Pioli can't make the team a winner in one off season. Maybe Haley can't coach or run a team. but with this serious lack of talent how can we judge him after 3 games that he sucks? If we don't see a vast effort to improve the talent on the team this off season, then I'll join the chorus of "off with their heads". but for now I'll just suffer on a weekly basis seeing this once proud team reduced to being the worst team in football.
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