Chiefs Offense v. Defense using comparable stats - Page 5

**petegz28** · 11-21-2016, 10:39 AM

We keep hearing from some on here how the Chiefs are the 28th ranked offense. In the same breath the people defend the defense by saying "they only gave up X points".

Okay so fair enough, but not really. Let's look at like for like.

Scoring offense (because points are what matters)
Chiefs are 19th. Not 28th

Scoring defense (because points are what matters)
Chiefs are 5th - very good

now compare the same stat that people like to tout as 28th ranked offense..yards per game

Yards Per Game Offense:
Chiefs are 24th

Yards Per Game Defense:
Chiefs are 25th

So pick your poison but keep it consistent on both sides of the ball

ThaVirus · 11-21-2016, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

DJ's lost at least a step this season, if not two. He missed tackles that in years past, would have been short gains.

He looked bad out there yesterday but a hamstring injury can really **** up mobility, especially at his age.

I'm hoping this issue is resolved quickly and he goes back to being at least a solid B contributor. We'll need him if we plan to make any waves this season.

DJ's left nut · 11-21-2016, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Dj missed an open field tackle right in front of us that would have ended a drive. I'm thinking his hamstring is still bothering him.

However, I didn't really feel the run d was bad.

DJ's been missing tackles all year. The hamstring doesn't help, but Dane's right - he's just not as good as he used to be.

It happens to everyone. He's not getting better from here forward so they'll need to figure something out.

O.city · 11-21-2016, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

DJ's been missing tackles all year. The hamstring doesn't help, but Dane's right - he's just not as good as he used to be.

It happens to everyone. He's not getting better from here forward so they'll need to figure something out.

True.

ThaVirus is right on the endzone int though. **** that was bad. If he throws that away and they end up taking a field goal, I think they win

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-21-2016, 02:54 PM

Cornerback ball skills were also absent yesterday. Ron Parker had a good chance to intercept Winston in the end zone, as did Acker, but neither could bring them in. Winston's too good of a QB to let those chances slip away.

The other thing of note is Smith. The mantra for the past 3+ seasons is play smart, be conservative, don't make risky throws and mistakes. Yet two weeks in a row, he's made very poor decisions, which cost the Chiefs a win yesterday.

If Smith continues to perform in this manner, I think there's no reason why Reid shouldn't turn to Foles, who's younger and throws a better deep ball. If the QB is going to make mistakes, I'd rather have the guy who has a better chance of routinely throwing successful deeps balls as opposed to the guy that doesn't.

I can't express how much I dislike the WCO, especially Reid's horizontal WCO. I pine for the days of the Coryell.

O.city · 11-21-2016, 02:57 PM

Eh, the endzone one was awful, no bones about it.

But he threw it pretty well from where I was sitting yesterday. The deep ball to hill should have been a td with a better throw but it was completed and there were a fee nice deep balls to kelce.

People were up in arms over smith yesterday, mainly because of the endzone int. But outside that, I really couldn't pinpoint him as playing poorly

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-21-2016, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

People were up in arms over smith yesterday, mainly because of the endzone int. But outside that, I really couldn't pinpoint him as playing poorly

Yeah but that's two weeks in a row in which he's thrown crucial INT's. He can't do that against Denver or Atlanta or the Chiefs will looking at 7-5 with the Raiders on a short week, which would likely put them on the outside looking in for a final Wild Card spot.

Beef Supreme · 11-21-2016, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Keep acting like they lost by 30.

One drive when you lost by 2 points is pretty damn critical, is it not?

But in the respective number of drives isn't the issue because the Bucs taking long, time consuming drives limits their numbers as well. It's isn't a comparison between the teams but a comparison between the respective weeks.

Getting 7 offensive series in a game is awful. 9 should really be the lowest acceptable number and that's if neither side is playing great offense. A standard defensive battle should really be around 9 drives. But when you just cannot get a team off the field until they've driven deep into your own territory, your offense isn't going to ever get on the field. The defense allowing the Bucs into Chiefs territory on every drive yesterday is the worst stat to come out of that game. The offense led 2 sustained drives for scores. The offense put up 19 despite NO help from the D. The offense still wasn't good, but the defense was absolutely worse.

Why didn't the Chiefs offense make any long time consuming drives, and maybe even, god forbid, score more than 17 points? The Chiefs defense played like ass, but they still held the other team to 19 points. That should be enough to win if our offense wasn't a dumpster fire. Every now and then, the offense needs to win a game for us, instead of relying on the defense every damn game.

ThaVirus · 11-21-2016, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Eh, the endzone one was awful, no bones about it.

But he threw it pretty well from where I was sitting yesterday. The deep ball to hill should have been a td with a better throw but it was completed and there were a fee nice deep balls to kelce.

People were up in arms over smith yesterday, mainly because of the endzone int. But outside that, I really couldn't pinpoint him as playing poorly

He missed Kelce on a drag on what could have been a critical 3rd down.

On the first drive I remarked that it appeared we had 'good Alex' that game.

DJ's left nut · 11-21-2016, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

Why didn't the Chiefs offense make any long time consuming drives, and maybe even, god forbid, score more than 17 points? The Chiefs defense played like ass, but they still held the other team to 19 points. That should be enough to win if our offense wasn't a dumpster fire. Every now and then, the offense needs to win a game for us, instead of relying on the defense every damn game.

Our offense wasn't a dumpster fire. 2.4 points per possession is above average.

ThaVirus · 11-21-2016, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Eh, the endzone one was awful, no bones about it.

But he threw it pretty well from where I was sitting yesterday. The deep ball to hill should have been a td with a better throw but it was completed and there were a fee nice deep balls to kelce.

People were up in arms over smith yesterday, mainly because of the endzone int. But outside that, I really couldn't pinpoint him as playing poorly

He missed Kelce on a drag on what could have been a critical 3rd down.

On the first drive I remarked that it appeared we had 'good Alex' that game.

**petegz28** · 11-21-2016, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah but that's two weeks in a row in which he's thrown crucial INT's. He can't do that against Denver or Atlanta or the Chiefs will looking at 7-5 with the Raiders on a short week, which would likely put them on the outside looking in for a final Wild Card spot.

Last week's INT was not crucial as far as INT's go. It was very early in the game.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-21-2016, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Last week's INT was not crucial as far as INT's go. It was very early in the game.

Had Peters not taken the ball away from Benjamin or if Berry hadn't returned an INT for a TD, the Chiefs would have lost the game.

The bottom line is that Alex Smith is billed as "Smart and Safe". The offense is built around him being "smart and safe".

If he's not those things, there's no reason to continue to limiting the offense.

**petegz28** · 11-21-2016, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Had Peters not taken the ball away from Benjamin or if Berry hadn't returned an INT for a TD, the Chiefs would have lost the game.

The bottom line is that Alex Smith is billed as "Smart and Safe". The offense is built around him being "smart and safe".

If he's not those things, there's no reason to continue to limiting the offense.

Okay but you can't start saying an INT early in the 1st Q is crucial. If that's the case then all INT's are crucial and we should never do anything but check down.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-21-2016, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Okay but you can't start saying an INT early in the 1st Q is crucial. If that's the case then all INT's are crucial and we should never do anything but check down.

It was crucial to the offense. If Alex Smith is going to through interceptions, then the Chiefs should play the guy that has the better arm.

His usefulness goes out the window if the guy isn't protecting the football.

Sandy Vagina · 11-21-2016, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Dj missed an open field tackle right in front of us that would have ended a drive. I'm thinking his hamstring is still bothering him.

However, I didn't really feel the run d was bad.

It wasn't that he just missed it either. He put his head down and lunged into open air. Was truly a pathetic, lazy effort. Strange.

11-21-2016, 10:39 AM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1085873	Offense v. Defense using comparable stats We keep hearing from some on here how the Chiefs are the 28th ranked offense. In the same breath the people defend the defense by saying "they only gave up X points". Okay so fair enough, but not really. Let's look at like for like. Scoring offense (because points are what matters) Chiefs are 19th. Not 28th Scoring defense (because points are what matters) Chiefs are 5th - very good now compare the same stat that people like to tout as 28th ranked offense..yards per game Yards Per Game Offense: Chiefs are 24th Yards Per Game Defense: Chiefs are 25th So pick your poison but keep it consistent on both sides of the ball
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11-21-2016, 02:54 PM	#64
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Cornerback ball skills were also absent yesterday. Ron Parker had a good chance to intercept Winston in the end zone, as did Acker, but neither could bring them in. Winston's too good of a QB to let those chances slip away. The other thing of note is Smith. The mantra for the past 3+ seasons is play smart, be conservative, don't make risky throws and mistakes. Yet two weeks in a row, he's made very poor decisions, which cost the Chiefs a win yesterday. If Smith continues to perform in this manner, I think there's no reason why Reid shouldn't turn to Foles, who's younger and throws a better deep ball. If the QB is going to make mistakes, I'd rather have the guy who has a better chance of routinely throwing successful deeps balls as opposed to the guy that doesn't. I can't express how much I dislike the WCO, especially Reid's horizontal WCO. I pine for the days of the Coryell.
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11-21-2016, 02:57 PM	#65
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-715936	Eh, the endzone one was awful, no bones about it. But he threw it pretty well from where I was sitting yesterday. The deep ball to hill should have been a td with a better throw but it was completed and there were a fee nice deep balls to kelce. People were up in arms over smith yesterday, mainly because of the endzone int. But outside that, I really couldn't pinpoint him as playing poorly
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