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**petegz28** · 09:46 PM

As much as some don't want to admit or accept it, the fact is that the high-flying offense we have seen the last few years is gone for the moment. But we can change that if we force teams to defend something else.

1. Run the ball more. DW and Gore should be active in running and catching out of the backfield. Gore has patients and vision that CEH does not.

2. Take the shorter passes first and check down to the deeper pass. Quit waiting to see if someone deep will open up. Dink-dunk.

3. Patience. We ran the ball one drive for almost the entire drive and scored a TD. Next drive we never ran the ball once and punted.

The simple fact is teams are daring us to run the ball and play the short game betting that we either won't stick with it or will **** ourselves. If we quit turning over the ball the rest we can do.

Once we win a few games running the ball and playing ball control then teams will have no choice to start bringing more players down into the box and then we can go back to tearing shit up in the air.

Until then, 6 or 7 in the box should be run or dink-dunk with some PA pass. The RPO stuff might have to take a bit of a backseat for a bit.

**petegz28** · 11-01-2021, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Daniel Jones was and is awful. The few passing yards he got in this game were also on screen plays.

Those screen plays worked.....

Patrick's longest pass was a flip pass to Hardman.

PAChiefsGuy · 11-01-2021, 10:22 PM

You can't pass a lot when Mahomes is playing the way he is. It's a recipe for diaster. Until he breaks out of it and plays better the Chiefs need to run the ball. It's not a 'win' for the defense if the offense is constantly getting first downs.

Mahomes is an INT machine right now. Until he breaks out of this funk the Chiefs can, and should, run more.

-King- · 11-01-2021, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Daniel Jones was and is awful. The few passing yards he got in this game were also on screen plays.

We had a few screen and short passes called, Mahomes threw them over people and in the dirt.

You love QBR right? Jones had a 33 QBR and Mahomes 19.

Hammock Parties · 11-01-2021, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

No one will ever pull a player up to stop the run with PM and cheetah on the same team. I don't care if you have Derrick Henry. Paper cuts are more survival than slashes to the jugular. If you give up the pass to run the ball, no one cares. They already won when you gave up the pass.

One holding call on a run play means the next three plays have to be passes for this offense.

That is why it is foolhardy to force feed our average backs.

I can't believe people want to go back to Hermball.

KC_Connection · 11-01-2021, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Those screen plays worked.....

Patrick's longest pass was a flip pass to Hardman.

Of course they worked, the Chiefs defense can't defend them.

When Daniel Jones had to get the job done, though, he completely shit his pants like he always does.

JakeF · 11-01-2021, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

You’re wrong.

This offenses effective balance is a power run game with play action. All of the OL are road graders and struggle blocking the edge. Probably in the neighborhood of 55-45 pass to run.

The WRs outside of Hill and Kelce are bad at getting open and making plays. None of them are weapons as traditional route running receivers. Hardman runs fast and is a weapon as an extension of the running game, but struggles making an impact in other areas.

Josh Gordon isn’t keeping anyone up at night to scheme against.

So have Hill and Kelce as the receiving threats more and run the ball out of double tight more. This OL is a far better run blocking unit than pass blocking one and Pat is great at PA. Force teams to stop our running game more.

Brown doesn’t get exposed as much and gets to wear down his man. Same goes for Niang. That forces teams to bring those safeties down more.

This team isn’t built for long developing pass plays anymore.

Good post.

If we go out and get another Receiver in the offseason, maybe things change. Right now we need to be a playaction offense.

Do we pay Orlando Brown or let him walk? He doesn't fit Mahomes's game.

KC_Connection · 11-01-2021, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

We had a few screen and short passes called, Mahomes threw them over people and in the dirt.

You love QBR right? Jones had a 33 QBR and Mahomes 19.

I don't think you want to be invoking QBR in an argument about Daniel Jones.

ToxSocks · 11-01-2021, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

No one will ever pull a player up to stop the run with PM and cheetah on the same team. I don't care if you have Derrick Henry. Paper cuts are more survival than slashes to the jugular. If you give up the pass to run the ball, no one cares. They already won when you gave up the pass.

I agree with the premise here, but we have to face the facts: Mahomes is in a slump. The offense needs a consistent means of moving the ball till he figures it out.

The passing game hasn't been special all year. It may come out of it. I think it will. But thus fat it hasnt.

Hammock Parties · 11-01-2021, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

You can't pass a lot when Mahomes is playing the way he is.

He's the engine driving the team. You have to let him run free. That is the only way he will get out of the funk.

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Mahomes is an INT machine right now.

He threw one pick tonight

Chief fan is drinking mercury tonight.

**cdcox** · 11-01-2021, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Guess which QB is crappy right now...

Not seeing him missing a lot of wide open recievers. Not saying none of the blame is on him, but take away the batted balls, the fumbles, let him scramble and not worry so much about keeping him in the pocket (which limits his game), and we are having a different conversation. If you think if what ails the offense rests more than 30% on Mahomes...

**petegz28** · 11-01-2021, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Brain dead Pete post.

Tell me how the healthy running backs are doing.

Tell me why their average is going up if they get it more and defenses see it coming right up the middle since it never goes anywhere else.

Tell me how many paint chips your mother force fed you.

you seem to not like the math....

the fact is defenses we are facing are giving us the run and you want to refuse to take it because you want to be stubborn....

suzzer99 · 11-01-2021, 10:25 PM

I'd love to see what Gore can do with the ball wide open in the flat like a bunch of those that DW got tonight.

-King- · 11-01-2021, 10:25 PM

In Mahomes best season, not including his runs, we ran the ball 327 times. This season we're on pace for 270 through 16 games. I don't know why people are acting like saying we need to run more means we become the Tennessee Titans.

**petegz28** · 11-01-2021, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

He's the engine driving the team. You have to let him run free. That is the only way he will get out of the funk.

He threw one pick tonight

Chief fan is drinking mercury tonight.

Hammock Parties · 11-01-2021, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

The offense needs a consistent means of moving the ball till he figures it out.

The answer is the short passing game. Mahomes has executed it at a high level previously in his career.

It is hit or miss right now. Mahomes throws one off, a drop somewhere else.

They have to keep chopping wood on the short passing game, running tweedle dee and tweedle dum up Creed's cheeks isn't the answer.

The Chiefs had 368 yards tonight with over 100 yards in penalties.

They will get it figured out.

Keep chopping wood with the axe that is Mahomes' right arm. It will sharpen up.

Williams and Gore will always be dull.

11-01-2021, 09:40 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1115873	We saw the formula for this offense going forward against the Giants... As much as some don't want to admit or accept it, the fact is that the high-flying offense we have seen the last few years is gone for the moment. But we can change that if we force teams to defend something else. 1. Run the ball more. DW and Gore should be active in running and catching out of the backfield. Gore has patients and vision that CEH does not. 2. Take the shorter passes first and check down to the deeper pass. Quit waiting to see if someone deep will open up. Dink-dunk. 3. Patience. We ran the ball one drive for almost the entire drive and scored a TD. Next drive we never ran the ball once and punted. The simple fact is teams are daring us to run the ball and play the short game betting that we either won't stick with it or will **** ourselves. If we quit turning over the ball the rest we can do. Once we win a few games running the ball and playing ball control then teams will have no choice to start bringing more players down into the box and then we can go back to tearing shit up in the air. Until then, 6 or 7 in the box should be run or dink-dunk with some PA pass. The RPO stuff might have to take a bit of a backseat for a bit. Last edited by petegz28; 11-01-2021 at 09:46 PM..
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PAChiefsGuy Best Body On ChiefsPlanet Join Date: Jan 2014 Casino cash: $-545100	You can't pass a lot when Mahomes is playing the way he is. It's a recipe for diaster. Until he breaks out of it and plays better the Chiefs need to run the ball. It's not a 'win' for the defense if the offense is constantly getting first downs. Mahomes is an INT machine right now. Until he breaks out of this funk the Chiefs can, and should, run more.
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