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Old 03-27-2022, 09:09 AM  
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George Pickens
Why isn't this kid being talked about? Injury of course but man when healthy he looks like an explosive receiver who can catch anything thrown his way. Would love to have him but I'm honestly not sure where he should go.
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Old 04-22-2022, 08:28 AM   #62
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I don't know about that, honestly.

Last year this board when nuts over Terrace Marshall Jr. with a whole bunch of "we're going to have to get him in the 1st" chatter. The two are very similar players. Both are around 6'2"-6'3" 200 pounds, fast, good catch radius, lack some route polish, etc. Where'd Marshall go? 59th overall. I would not assume he's going to go as high as people think.

There's alot of talent on the board between 30 and 50, including some really good safeties and corners that probably eat up 10 of those 20 picks. Then you have a few good edge rushers and offensive lineman sitting out there too. You probably need to factor in Dotson, Moore, and Watson at WR in that range as well.

There's a good chance he's there at 50. I don't think you have to get him at 30. If you're nervous, maybe move up a handful of spots into the 40's. Otherwise, there are other options.
Also, a lot of the teams that will want a stud WR will have already taken one in the first half of the first round. Unlikely they'd double up, as they by definition are talent poor teams.
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Old 04-22-2022, 08:32 AM   #63
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I don’t understand the love for pickens. Other wrs have been slammed for route running and injury history and pickens is terrible with both. He hasn’t played a lot bc of injuries. He does have great hands and good tracking on deep balls but his change of direction is awful. He’s got skinny legs which doesn’t bode well for staying healthy. And why is punching a guy in the helmet good? Getting suspended for part of the sec championship game is a good thing? That indicates that he’s not smart. Is he fast? In a straight line, yes but he doesn’t have football speed with change of direction so he’s slow in that regard. Don’t understand the love for him. Can someone explain the love for pickens?
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I don’t understand the love for pickens. Other wrs have been slammed for route running and injury history and pickens is terrible with both. He hasn’t played a lot bc of injuries. He does have great hands and good tracking on deep balls but his change of direction is awful. He’s got skinny legs which doesn’t bode well for staying healthy. And why is punching a guy in the helmet good? Getting suspended for part of the sec championship game is a good thing? That indicates that he’s not smart. Is he fast? In a straight line, yes but he doesn’t have football speed with change of direction so he’s slow in that regard. Don’t understand the love for him. Can someone explain the love for pickens?
yeah, so...basically....

I disagree with everything in your assessment. That's my explanation.

Other than the injury concerns. And THAT is why he's not a top 15 pick.
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Old 04-22-2022, 08:42 AM   #65
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It's possible that he just can't learn an NFL route tree (although I don't really understand how that's possible, to be honest. I mean, it's a ****ing route.
Route running is not just mental. Route running has to do with your physical gifts. Do you have the ability to sink your hips and change direction, make cuts, and explode in and out of breaks? Pickens is like a baby deer that’s too heavy up top with skinny legs. He can’t change direction. Get that baby deer (pickens) going fast in a straight line, the baby deer can do that. But change direction or run routes, no. Now watson, does he have the athletic traits to become a good route runner? absolutely, he has all of that ability. Watson is also a day one gadget guy. He’s electric with the ball in hands. His acceleration is crazy and his top end speed is eye popping, Hill like speed. Pickens can’t do any of that; he is a long strider with build up speed. Look at pickens athletic traits and you’ll like him less. That’s why pickens can’t run routes.
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It's not as simple as "run a deep out" or "run a post".

Good lord man.
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Route running is not just mental. Route running has to do with your physical gifts. Do you have the ability to sink your hips and change direction, make cuts, and explode in and out of breaks? Pickens is like a baby deer that’s too heavy up top with skinny legs. He can’t change direction. Get that baby deer (pickens) going fast in a straight line, the baby deer can do that. But change direction or run routes, no. Now watson, does he have the athletic traits to become a good route runner? absolutely, he has all of that ability. Watson is also a day one gadget guy. He’s electric with the ball in hands. His acceleration is crazy and his top end speed is eye popping, Hill like speed. Pickens can’t do any of that; he is a long strider with build up speed. Look at pickens athletic traits and you’ll like him less.
All of the same knocks on DK Metcalf coming out and yet...

Look, I like Watson too. I think that IF there is a generational talent WR that comes out of this draft (and I don't really think there is! But IF there's a guy that ends up a hall of famer, MVP type guy) it's Watson.

But that would require a lot of smoothing of rough edges. If there's a team and a coach that could get that out of him, it's Andy Reid.

But I like Pickens, I like his fight, I like his hands, I like his ball tracking. He's big, he's fast enough to be a problem especially with his size and ball tracking.
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You're knocking George Pickens for skinny legs when you want Jameson Williams?
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It's not as simple as "run a deep out" or "run a post".

Good lord man.
You guys act like George Pickens has no idea how to play football.

I'm well ****ing aware it's not that simple; and I also am not a potential NFL WR.

I also did not play at a top tier SEC football college.

Don't be dense.

You guys are over-exaggerating things to try to prove your emotionally biased opinion as fact, when it's clearly not.
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You know what keeps DK from being able to run the entire route tree? Physics.

Seriously. Stop asking a guy like that to run a loose hips kind of route. He's not gonna be great change of direction and quickness guy, obviously. Look at the size of him. Physics won't allow him to be.

So ask guys to do what they excel at.

Problem solved.
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You guys act like George Pickens has no idea how to play football.

I'm well ****ing aware it's not that simple; and I also am not a potential NFL WR.

I also did not play at a top tier SEC football college.

Don't be dense.

You guys are over-exaggerating things to try to prove your emotionally biased opinion as fact, when it's clearly not.
I like Pickens. Has nothing to do with him.

Has to do with your "it's just a route tree how can they not learn it".

We aren't the ones being emotional here.
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You're knocking George Pickens for skinny legs when you want Jameson Williams?
The point with pickens legs is emphasizing his athletic traits or profile. You think jameson is a baby deer?
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The point with pickens legs is emphasizing his athletic traits or profile. You think jameson is a baby deer?
No....I think you're so hard up for Williams that you're finding flaws in every other WR and trying to knock them down.
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You know what keeps DK from being able to run the entire route tree? Physics.
Well said. And comparing pickens to Dk isn’t fair either. Dk is thick all over. He’s almost 230 and still runs a 4.33. Pickens isn’t close to Dk. Take a look. I’m looking for athletic traits that show up on film. And watson is unreal. Watson has that short area quickness & top end speed that defies physics.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/dk-metcalf

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https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/christian-watson
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No....I think you're so hard up for Williams that you're finding flaws in every other WR and trying to knock them down.
Williams is an elite wr prospect. I’m looking for wrs with those type of traits. I don’t like the wrs that have low ceilings for us. So, yes, I’m picking those guys apart bc I don’t want one in the second round with all that defensive talent there. We have plenty of good wrs on the roster already. I’d rather swing for the fences on a special talent early and get developmental guys late that have those traits also. Here’s some others I like late.

Danny Gray https://youtu.be/N5CB6TvVkuI
Velus Jones https://youtu.be/Vy7tm0eTlxU
Bo Melton https://youtu.be/akSMA98r9Rg
Isaiah Weston https://youtu.be/8GTjD6UfYzU

Weston is a freak. https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/isaiah-weston
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