Chiefs NFL Trade Rumors: Rams WR Allen Robinson to Patrick Mahomes' Chiefs? - Page 5

DenverChief · 08:51 PM

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The Los Angeles Rams need high picks in order to retool the roster and turn the ship around.

Only problem? They don't have that many.

While the 11 selections the Rams have are valuable, eight of those picks come after No. 150 overall. The team's three picks outside of those come on Day 2, and

Los Angeles could use another one.

Bleacher Report suggests an idea that could land them another mid-round pick, trading wide receiver Allen Robinson II to the Kansas City Chiefs.

The Chiefs are seeking a top wideout for Patrick Mahomes after JuJu Smith-Schuster signed with the New England Patriots in free agency, and Robinson fits the build.

The timing of this deal could be a little tricky though.
If the Rams were to trade Robinson before the draft in order to acquire a pick for this year, Los Angeles would save a mere $1.6 million in cap space. However, if the team had some patience and waited until after June 1, the Rams would save $10 million.

Last spring, Robinson signed a three-year, $46.5 million deal with the Rams. His contract carries cap hits north of $18 million for the upcoming 2023 and 2024 seasons -- clearly a situation the front office wants to avoid taking on.

Robinson is talented but managed to catch just 33 passes for 339 yards and three touchdowns in his first season with the Rams, failing to reach the high expectations placed upon him when he came to Los Angeles.

A divorce could be best for both sides, and the Chiefs could bring out the best in Robinson with arguably the league's best quarterback throwing to him.

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Sean McVay today, on the Rams giving WR Allen Robinson permission to seek a trade: "Clear communication. Allen is a great person and he's been a great player for a long time. You talk to him and you say, 'this is a possibility that we're exploring, that we might move you. But
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) March 28, 2023

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**wazu** · 04-03-2023, 09:38 AM

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In fairness, no matter what LA does, they absorb a massive chunk of his cap hit. The roster bonus has already been paid so it's on their cap as is the pro-rated bonus.

As it stands, he'd come here with $10 million in cap charges and zero in dead money for 2024.

Still way too much for a guy who looks completely washed. No thank you.

DenverChief · 04-03-2023, 09:38 AM

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Eh - $10 million for a guy who's been hurt and/or ineffective the last 2 seasons (as he's entered his 30s) doesn't qualify as a 'cheap bandaid', IMO.

That's a desperation play. And with very little upside because you're not going to write that guy's $5 million roster bonus check next season so he's really just a 1 year deal at $10 million.

And he looked DONE last season after somehow looking as bad/worse the season before.

Nah - that's gonna need to be a deal where they bonus out that base salary over the remaining 4 years (2 void) on his deal to get that salary down near $5 million this season at worst. And is $5 million in cap savings worth a 6th round pick for the Rams? Probably not - ol' Les and his '**** dem picks' approach wouldn't seem to care that much about a 3rd day pick.

There have been a slew of better gambles to make in FA at lower costs and we haven't made them. This one seems very unlikely absent some additional maneuvering by the Rams.

Is he 30 this year? I thought he just turned 29 - and was he "done" because the Rams were garbage or "done" as in Josh Gordon status?

DenverChief · 04-03-2023, 09:41 AM

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Still way too much for a guy who looks completely washed. No thank you.

To be fair, their best WR (Kupp) only had ~800 yards receiving and 6 TDs - not exactly a good showing for their offense.

Total offensive output passing ~3500 yards 16 TDs

TwistedChief · 04-03-2023, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

To be fair, their best WR (Kupp) only had ~800 yards receiving and 6 TDs - not exactly a good showing for their offense.

Total offensive output passing ~3500 yards 16 TDs

Robinson averaged 34yds per game receiving (annualized 578yds).

Kupp averaged 90yds per game receiving (annualized 1,530yds).

Kupp’s showing was fine - it was the injuries which dampened his stats. Robinson was just bad.

BryanBusby · 04-03-2023, 09:51 AM

If you paid attention to Allen Robinson running routes in LA, you could tell he's pretty much cooked.

Wouldn't take him even at a reduced salary. There's a reason to Rams are dire to let him go even after eating a recent bonus.

DenverChief · 04-03-2023, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Robinson averaged 34yds per game receiving (annualized 578yds).

Kupp averaged 90yds per game receiving (annualized 1,530yds).

Kupp’s showing was fine - it was the injuries which dampened his stats. Robinson was just bad.

Ahh - I missed that he only played in 9 games - Robinson only played in 10 too though.

Also - you have to factor in the poor OL play and the fact that Bryce Perkins, John Wolford and Baker Mayfield were slinging the ball around at some point during the season.

oldman · 04-03-2023, 09:54 AM

"While the 11 selections the Rams have are valuable, eight of those picks come after No. 150 overall. The team's three picks outside of those come on Day 2, and Los Angeles could use another one."

Sure, let's give up a #2 or 3 pick for a guy that had 339 yards last year. Makes sense --- if you're the Raiders.

**wazu** · 04-03-2023, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Robinson averaged 34yds per game receiving (annualized 578yds).

Kupp averaged 90yds per game receiving (annualized 1,530yds).

Kupp’s showing was fine - it was the injuries which dampened his stats. Robinson was just bad.

And Robinson didn't start being bad in 2022. In 2021 he was every bit as terrible, probably even worse. Only hope any observer had was that the QB situation was awful, and they were stuck with Matt Nagy as their coach, so Robinson lost all motivation to play. That was about as much optimism as could be sprinkled on Robinson's 2021 campaign. Then he went the Rams and eliminated other people as the cause of the problem.

DenverChief · 04-03-2023, 09:57 AM

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If you paid attention to Allen Robinson running routes in LA, you could tell he's pretty much cooked.

Wouldn't take him even at a reduced salary. There's a reason to Rams are dire to let him go even after eating a recent bonus.

And I didn't watch any LA Rams games (other than ours) and he didn't play that game.

DenverChief · 04-03-2023, 10:06 AM

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And Robinson didn't start being bad in 2022. In 2021 he was every bit as terrible, probably even worse. Only hope any observer had was that the QB situation was awful, and they were stuck with Matt Nagy as their coach, so Robinson lost all motivation to play. That was about as much optimism as could be sprinkled on Robinson's 2021 campaign. Then he went the Rams and eliminated other people as the cause of the problem.

Just to put things in perspective - the Rams (5-12) gave up 59 sacks last year to their QB's. The Broncos (5-12) Gave up 63 and the Colts (4-12) 60.

So some of that play can possibly be attributed to the poor play of the offense in genreal?

**Bowser** · 04-03-2023, 10:07 AM

I guess the Rams are going to answer the question of "how much would you be willing to give to win ONE championship in your lifetime", because their cap situation might be the most cap-hell ridden cap that's ever been stuck in cap hell.

Balto · 04-03-2023, 10:12 AM

So if Rams cut him they would be hit with a $26M dead money hit BUT if traded only a $11.2M Dead Money hit. So even a 2024 7th round pick would be a benefit to them AND could even be one of those trades that the Rams actually give pick value to take Robinson.

For the trading team
2023: $10M Cap hit because the $5.25 Roster bonus has already been paid.
2024: $15.750M Cap hit

I'd still be ok with getting Robinson just not at that price when I believe OBJ could be had for that money and produce much better.

DenverChief · 04-03-2023, 10:14 AM

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Is he 30 this year?

He is - 30 on 08/24

Gravedigger · 04-03-2023, 10:17 AM

It's a shame that his career was wasted in Chicago.

warpaint* · 04-03-2023, 10:24 AM

I'd take a flier as a FA on a prove-it deal. At most a 7r. He'd only be here a yr regardless of how it goes most likely.

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Balto Veteran Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $-127802	So if Rams cut him they would be hit with a $26M dead money hit BUT if traded only a $11.2M Dead Money hit. So even a 2024 7th round pick would be a benefit to them AND could even be one of those trades that the Rams actually give pick value to take Robinson. For the trading team 2023: $10M Cap hit because the $5.25 Roster bonus has already been paid. 2024: $15.750M Cap hit I'd still be ok with getting Robinson just not at that price when I believe OBJ could be had for that money and produce much better.
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