Chiefs What's with the Thigpen fixation? - Page 52

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 04:53 PM

Now I fully admit it isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be on this forum but I've yet to figure out this fixation with him. It's really bad at some other unnamed forums..

I honestly have no way of comprehending what it's about. It's like everything people said about Croyle has now been lumped onto Thigpen. "Well um he's the guy we don't need another QB"

The worst part is the people who don't want a QB this year then say well if Thigpen doesn't work out we can just take Bradford or McCoy, it's like peoples brains fell out.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think it's kind of a pointless argument. They're completely different style quarterbacks. Roethlisberger's still more in the game-manager mold (although less than in the past with no real running game), whereas Brees is the central cog of that offense. I'd say Brees would fit the Steelers system about as well as Roethlisberger would fit the Saints, in other words. Both teams would have to fundamentally change what they do to fit the other behind center.

Either way, in the end, they're still both franchise quarterbacks. And Tyler Thigpen isn't either one of them.

I agree.

Sam Hall · 02-11-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Jesus.

Someone comes up with stats that show how many times he was hit in 2008, and now you're disputing that.

It's what we have to work with, and it's a hell of a lot more than your assumption that because he throws more, he gets hit more.

Defensive coordinators aren't going to sit back and not blitz a QB who throws that much.

keg in kc · 02-11-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Defensive coordinators aren't going to sit back and not blitz a QB who throws that much.

Blitzing doesn't mean the qb's going to be hit. Anybody who's watched the chiefs defense the last decade knows that better than most.

Sam Hall · 02-11-2009, 01:46 PM

I'm willing to say both QBs get hit an equal amount, but I dispute the data about Brees.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Defensive coordinators aren't going to sit back and not blitz a QB who throws that much.

Call the league and tell them someone is cooking the books.

Maybe you can split the long distance charges with chiefzilla, and he can tell them to pass on the message to all 32 GM's that they are idiots because they use the draft chart.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Blitzing doesn't mean the qb's going to be hit. Anybody who's watched the chiefs defense the last decade knows that better than most.

Sam Hall · 02-11-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Call the league and tell them someone is cooking the books.

Maybe you can split the long distance charges with chiefzilla, and he can tell them to pass on the message to all 32 GM's that they are idiots because they use the draft chart.

The introduction in that link says scorers could do a better job of counting knockdowns. The data can't be trusted.

Sam Hall · 02-11-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

because every defense is as bad as the chiefs

keg in kc · 02-11-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

because every defense is as bad as the chiefs

You can flip the script and say blitzing doesn't mean the qbs going to be hit. Anybody who watched the Chiefs offense from '02 to '05 knows that better than most.

Good QBs/offenses handle blitzing.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

The introduction in that link says scorers could do a better job of counting knockdowns. The data can't be trusted.

Something I pointed out immediately.

But since hits aren't an official stat, but are tracked by the official scorer, it's what we have to work with.

So, you can either break down film of every pass attempt of his this season and get back to us, or you can continue to ignore the mountain of evidence that has been placed in front of you proving you wrong.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

You can flip the script and say blitzing doesn't mean the qbs going to be hit. Anybody who watched the Chiefs offense from '02 to '05 knows that better than most.

Good QBs/offenses handle blitzing.

Body blow, body blow.

KNOCK HIM OUT!

Sam Hall · 02-11-2009, 01:56 PM

You can't honestly say he only got hit three times against Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Carolina, Atlanta and Chicago. He played a couple of those teams twice.

**doomy3** · 02-11-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Something I pointed out immediately.

But since hits aren't an official stat, but is tracked by the official scorer, it's what we have to work with.

So, you can either break down film of every pass attempt of his this season and get back to us, or you can continue to ignore the mountain of evidence that has been placed in front of you proving you wrong.

I still don't think he has been proven wrong. AFAIK, he has said that Brees took AS MANY hits as BR, not more. I don't see how that can be proven false. This whole thing got started when posters began saying that Brees would break in two playing in Pittsburgh. I still don't see how that is an absolute statement. It's not like BR took twice as many hits as Brees or somthing. And again, a large portion of those hits BR took were because he holds onto the ball too long.

Sam Hall · 02-11-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Something I pointed out immediately.

But since hits aren't an official stat, but are tracked by the official scorer, it's what we have to work with.

So, you can either break down film of every pass attempt of his this season and get back to us, or you can continue to ignore the mountain of evidence that has been placed in front of you proving you wrong.

You can't call it a "mountain of evidence" after acknowledging the scorer's inconsistencies. We can't sit here and know for sure. We don't know what the scorers consider a hit.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

You can't honestly say he only got hit three times against Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Carolina, Atlanta and Chicago. He played a couple of those teams twice.

I can, and will, because that's exactly what the stats show happened.

When you take the data that's already been posted, and then add that he was only sacked once in each of the games against the opponents you just listed (except the 2nd Carolina game, he was sacked twice) it sure looks to me that the stats are staying extremely consistent.

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