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Matt Ryan: 5th pick in the draft 35 36.46%
Brian Brohm: 1st rounder 15 15.63%
Joe Flacco: 2nd – 3rd rounder 19 19.79%
Chad Henne: 2nd – 3rd rounder 15 15.63%
Andre Woodson: 2nd – 3rd rounder 10 10.42%
John David Booty: 2nd – 3rd rounder 4 4.17%
Colt Brennan: Mid rounder 10 10.42%
Erik Ainge: Mid rounder 8 8.33%
Other 8 8.33%
I don’t like any of the QBs in this year’s class 13 13.54%
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Old 04-12-2008, 09:39 AM  
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What QB do you like in this draft class?
In relation to where we’ll have to pick to get him.

Round projection via - http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com

Poll forthcoming...
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:31 PM   #76
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Matt Ryan is Brodie Croyle with a bigger frame. Those two are identical in about everything, its just the freaking year they are drafted that makes the difference.
That statement is just so ridiculous, it tells me you're just a Matt Ryan hater.

And that's fine. You don't have to be a fan of his but you can't make a statement like that and expect not to get flammed. Say you don't like the picks he threw or something. But don't say he's equal to Brodie Croyle except for size.

You're saying a guy who was drafted in the 3rd round is identical to a guy coming out in the draft who will go in the top 8 selections at worse.

Basically every scout, Coach & GM in the NFL disagrees with your assessment.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:32 PM   #77
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Honestly, why the hell does the pro-Croyle crowd keeping saying this? !

The ONLY thing Croyle has on Ryan is pure arm strength, and he doesn't beat him by much. That's it. Period. Every single NFL analyst and expert would say Ryan beats Croyle in every other category. That is why Matt Ryan in a unanimous top five overall prospect and the #1 QB in this draft, while Brodie Croyle was a middle-round nobody in 2006 and no one holds him in high regard except the sheep on this board.

Seriously, some of you act like Brodie Croyle is your son or something; open your eyes, stop being biased, and realize that Croyle is a NFL backup at best.
The more I read about Ryan the more I am having concerns. Everyone seems to be drooling over him, but isn't that normally the "kiss of death".

And unlike the "experts", I think Brohm is being hyped too much lately. And I am pretty confident the team that takes Woodson with the thought of making him a QB will be wasting their pick.

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Old 04-12-2008, 05:35 PM   #78
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I could give rat's ass about his big arm. Croyle has what it takes IMO to be a winning NFL quarterback, is he a hall of fame type. No. But a Trent Green/Matt Hasselback type career. Yes.

And unless you are Brett Favre or Peyton Manning, I doubt you wil see that many quarterbacks last season after season every game.
Brodie Croyle played what 6 games and got injured twice......that guy has an injury history and it is never going away, some guys have it.

If there is one position on the field that it is very much a key factor for a guy to be on the field every week it's that one. You can't have a starting QB that misses 6 games every year or more.

I don't see it with him, I see a guy people like cause he's a nice kid and they want him to succeed but I still see a guy who's body will never allow him to be a starting player, he's not durable at all.

To me his future is as a nice backup....he'll never be able to be relied upon to go out there every week and if he is it's foolish.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:36 PM   #79
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That statement is just so ridiculous, it tells me you're just a Matt Ryan hater.

And that's fine. You don't have to be a fan of his but you can't make a statement like that and expect not to get flammed. Say you don't like the picks he threw or something. But don't say he's equal to Brodie Croyle except for size.

You're saying a guy who was drafted in the 3rd round is identical to a guy coming out in the draft who will go in the top 8 selections at worse.

Basically every scout, Coach & GM in the NFL disagrees with your assessment.

Like I said, saying that would get you laughed out of a room, this is the only place on the net where you can make a comment about Croyle and Ryan being comparable and not be shunned.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:37 PM   #80
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Brodie Croyle played what 6 games and got injured twice......that guy has an injury history and it is never going away, some guys have it.

If there is one position on the field that it is very much a key factor for a guy to be on the field every week it's that one. You can't have a starting QB that misses 6 games every year or more.

I don't see it with him, I see a guy people like cause he's a nice kid and they want him to succeed but I still see a guy who's body will never allow him to be a starting player, he's not durable at all.

To me his future is as a nice backup....he'll never be able to be relied upon to go out there every week and if he is it's foolish.
I guess he will agree to disagree, wont be the first time and sure as hell wont be the last.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:38 PM   #81
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Give me a team that wins with a injury prone QB that consistently misses games...
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:39 PM   #82
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people like Croyle cause he's a QB the Chiefs drafted nothing more.
You are so sure about this. Just like you are so sure Ryan is a can't miss QB. But what shoots your theory out of the water is that I for one was pretty high on Croyle during his pre-draft days. So were many others on this bb. Just because you hadn't heard of him doesn't mean the rest of us hadn't either. Mecca does not know Japanese. So, Japan does not exist.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:41 PM   #83
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That statement is just so ridiculous, it tells me you're just a Matt Ryan hater.

And that's fine. You don't have to be a fan of his but you can't make a statement like that and expect not to get flammed. Say you don't like the picks he threw or something. But don't say he's equal to Brodie Croyle except for size.

You're saying a guy who was drafted in the 3rd round is identical to a guy coming out in the draft who will go in the top 8 selections at worse.

Basically every scout, Coach & GM in the NFL disagrees with your assessment.
Would Ryan have gone in the first round two years ago?
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:47 PM   #84
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Would Ryan have gone in the first round two years ago?
Would he have been a 1st round pick as a sophomore? What is the relevance of that? He's a stud now.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:50 PM   #85
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Would he have been a 1st round pick as a sophomore? What is the relevance of that? He's a stud now.
Let me rephrase my point:

Would this year's Matt Ryan have gone in the first round two years ago?
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Give me a team that wins with a injury prone QB that consistently misses games...

haha....We've had this discussion before.

McNabb, the Eages.




But im with you, I like Ryan and i hope the Chiefs draft him. The NFL is a QB driven league.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:56 PM   #87
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Let me rephrase my point:

Would this year's Matt Ryan have gone in the first round two years ago?
Yes, he would have.

Here is a clip where Jaworski analyzes his game and compares him to Carson Palmer. After that, Kiper compares him to Eli Manning, and says he will have the exact same grade as Manning, Rivers, and Roethlisberger. Mike Mayock compares him to Roethlisberger

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/...o-carson-palm/

If one person hypes him, maybe it's just an isolated man-crush. But when every legit NFL Draft analyst loves him as pro QB, it's a trend.

These guys make a living analyzing NFL prospects, and when they all unanimously agree that a guy is special, maybe the haters should suck it up and admit that maybe they don't know what they're talking about on this one.
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I think Ryan compares very well to Eli Manning actually......and there would have been 0 debate on if the Chiefs should take him or not.

I really don't like arguing with Frankie just because I think he'd trade down and draft 7 offensive lineman if he was a GM, that's how he reads to me with some of those ridiculous views he spouts.
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Old 04-12-2008, 06:01 PM   #89
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Let me rephrase my point:

Would this year's Matt Ryan have gone in the first round two years ago?
Well the way it played out, there were only 3 teams that took a QB in that draft.

Young, Leinart & Cutler. I suspect coming off of their success in college, he wouldn't of gone ahead of Young or Leinart. But what does that prove?

But Cutler? Who knows. I'm not a scout.

I personally find it hard to believe a QB who's going to go in the top 8 picks this year wouldn't of been drafted at all in the 1st round comparison to that class.
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That's nice, he's also a midget in a spread option offense.....college stats mean jack and shit.

Also Ryan and Croyle are not remotely the same as prospects, for starters I think Matt Ryan can be breathed on and not get injured.
All you can base these guys on right now is their college stats. Ryan is not going to be any more than an average at best QB.
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